565 hp with smoke control

[Joseph Donnelly]

Sickly and I played on the Dynojet at Diesel Dynamics today. We were tired of the whiners who say 12 valves smoke like freight trains when they make power. With the camshaft Lawrence and I designed, "modest" sized Diesel Dynamics injectors, the AFC set pretty tight, and a medium sized turbocharger ol' Sickly produced 565 SAE hp on #2 diesel fuel only. Smoke was so little that Lawrence couldn't believe it was my truck



Take that, you overvalved whiners

Blair, no more Smokasaurus jokes

12 valves rule

 

[HoleshotHolset]

NICE #'s Joe!

400+rwhp is where I want to be in the near future... .



Matt

 

[Don M]

Joes been workin on those cam profiles for awile now. Glad to see you guys got yourself a winner.



Looks like a cam is going to have to be one of my next mods.



565 and less smoke is awesome.



Don~

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

Oh, and for the "rest of the story", the AFC was so tight that Sickly only developed 36 psi boost, and egt in the elbow was 1050 deg F. That makes for about 1400 deg in the manifold at full power, almost down to Cummins spec of 1300! This is an excellent combination of high power, low smoke, and moderate egt. EGT might have been within spec with a little more load and boost.

12 valves, not just enough, the RIGHT number

 

[sewman]

Wow... . less smoke+less boost=more power keep it up & we'll all have a case of camitus!!!

Bob

 

[Jeff Burke]

What fun is it when there's no smoke?

 

[Steve Campbell]

Joe, I know this thread is about horsepower, so please don't jump on me tooo hard here. What would these new cam profiles do to fuel mileage?

 

[BPINE]

Hey Joe I think you are going to have to drive down here and let me see that for myself. I think Lawrence might be onto something, are you sure it was your truck? lol I think I am going to have to neuter my truck soon it is starting to act like old sickly Smokasaurus .

 

[Garry Verheyden]

Joe,

Do you still have the stock valves, or did you also upgrade to larger valves. How much porting did you do on your head.

Third question, are you ready to sell these cams yet? If so, how much??

Garry.

 

[Don M]

Joe told me the cams help the revs come up faster and they are much smoother than the stock shafts all the way to 4000.



Don~

 

[JHansen]

Interested minds want to know....

if you guys have worked up a cam design for the 24 valves yet? Or is the 12 valve one applicable with the different flow rates that the head is capable of... . or is the head capable of any more flow?



Hoping that you guys won't stone me for posting over here on your side-but by the looks of things we've got a little catching up to do to run with the under-teched wonders



Jason

 

[TxDieselKid]

Re: Interested minds want to know....

Originally posted by JHansen

if you guys have worked up a cam design for the 24 valves yet? Or is the 12 valve one applicable with the different flow rates that the head is capable of... . or is the head capable of any more flow?



Jason

I would love to get my hands on a cam for the 24v. I doublt that they will do one any time soon because of all the boxes we can add. This would be a great idea though.

we've got a little catching up to do to run with the under-teched wonders

With comments like this Joe will make sure that we never see a cam. Funny though!!!



AJB

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

Lawrence and I have a 24 valve version of the supermagic camshaft also. Because we did so much work to get to it, we don't want to sell them mail-order because then in a week "another" vendor would have a "very similar" cam for sale $10 cheaper With appropriate screening for intellectual honesty, either of us can supply the supermagic camshaft for discerning, value shopping Rammers.



Stock valves. Can't let out all the details or I'd have to do worse than kill ya--take yer Ram away and replace it with a Drof EkortsRewop



More testing is required to see if the mpg is much better with the cam. I don't see how it could have been hurt though, because Lawrence is getting 27-28 mpg with his p-pumped ETC automatic @350 hp/1000 ft lb.

 

[JHansen]

Hopefully everyone understands....

... that when I posted the "underteched wonders" comment it was done with tongue firmly in cheek-don't go looking me up at home or sending me any hate mail now... . Gotta respect the power these guys crank out of what should be in theory an inferior setup to the 24 valve unit-but in practice turns out to be superior as far as raw power and simplicity..... I'd love to see what a P-pump would do on a 24 valve rig. Hasn't Lawrence at DD done this? Seems to me I saw a thread on it somewhere..... the ultimate rig in my mind.



I love my ISB-especially the fact that you can plug a box into it in 5 minutes and jump the power dramatically. However I'm not keen on the sensors, wiring and controls that electronic fueling brings to the party... whaddya gonna do? I went with a new truck to get exactly what I wanted and also so I knew what had been done with it right from Day 1. If there had been both choices on the option sheet who knows which way I would have went? And let's face it there's lots worse things in the world than an ISB-think DuraMax or Powerstroke .



But I'm still curious to know if anyone's worked on cam profiles for a 24 valve...



Jason

 

[JHansen]

Whoops!

While I was busy typing away Joe jumped in with the appropriate answers... . story of my life-mouth too big, ears too small . God I kill myself sometimes... .



I am interested in a cam at some point in the future-COMP box and some of Lawrence's magic injectors to come first along with some kind of superkalifragelisticexpialadocious turbocharger (wow hope I spelled that right ). When the time comes I'll get in touch with one of you fellas. Would like to get the ETH pump mods that Lawrence does too-but Vegas is a long long way from Alberta-too bad he wasn't on this side of the 49th .



Don't blame you guys for wanting to give away any of your hard-earned secrets either-seems to be the way of the world anymore that someone is waiting in the wings to reap glory from someone else's hard work. I counter that by doing as little as possible myself! Guess that's why I'm the follower and you're the leaders...



Jason

 

[TxDieselKid]

oh goodie.....

Lawrence and I have a 24 valve version of the supermagic camshaft also. Because we did so much work to get to it, we don't want to sell them mail-order because then in a week "another" vendor would have a "very similar" cam for sale $10 cheaper With appropriate screening for intellectual honesty, either of us can supply the supermagic camshaft for discerning, value shopping Rammers.

I completely agree with you on doing this. They will come out with a version anyways, but will take some time.



How much would one of these run. I am sure that you can not out right post it here so please feel free to e-mail or send a PM. I would like to get one of these, even though I realize that I am not at the point of 1) handleing the power, 2) needing it.



I would like to know how it would do on a faily stock truck though. I will be adding DD3 or Super Mentals later, and I am weeks away from gauges (Christmas). I have not decided which turbo, but the H2E Hybrid sounds tempting. A Dtt 93% is obvious.



Anyways, I got off topic, please respond in one form or the other.



Thanks,

Andrew

 

[HEMI®Dart]

Diesel Dynamics has some Dyno graphs already on the Cam. In- house install only.



http://www.dieseldynamics.com/

 

[TxDieselKid]

is it worth it????

Does not seem to be a very radical cam from the dyno charts on the DD site. Think the $2500 would be worth it?



AJB

 

[Don M]

Thats the installed price remember.

Thr R&D in this thing must be countless hours of work. 2500. bucks is a drop in the bucket of the cost, I would bet.



Most of the cam companies out there do not have a clue when it comes to diesel profiles.



These are not small block chebby gassers.



Don~

 

[TxDieselKid]

I know this but....

How can you justify spending $2500 for a couple ft-lbs coming in earlyer, when you can spend about $500 and get around 50 extra ponnies in a Chevy small block, installed.



I am sorry, but I just dont see this being a big seller for $2500. Remember the VR6 pump? Everybody thought that this was going to be the answer t the VP44, but DD tried it and found little use out of it. That's how I see this cam. Even more so when I have to drive to Las Vegas or where ever to have the work done!



I guess the thing is, this is probly for a towing aplication, and that's where I don't see the application for it, I tow nothing. I would like to see a more radical cam for people who what the high hp #'s (I really want torque #'s more then hp), but mabe this is just the first stage of cam development.



AJB



(Sorry if this post is a little out of line, I am a little hot right now because of my computer, it stoped working so I had to track it to the computer lab. )