6.7L Ford Issues...... Round TWO???

[rscurtis]

Having owned both Yanmar engines and equipment, and Kubota engines when I had my rental business, I'll offer my opinion. You won't go wrong with either one. All things being equal, the Kubota is a better cold starter. The best Yanmar I had was in a first generation JD skid steer, when it was the same as a New Holland, but with a Yanmar engine. It was a 4 cylinder direct injected engine, which was uncommon at the time (around 1990). It was markedly more fuel effecient than its NH counterpart with the V1902 Kubota. Since it didn't have glow plugs, any idiot could start it in any weather. I also had a Yanmar built excavator which was very good, but by competitive standards, was weak and under powered.



One thing to keep in mind is that Yanmar's primary business is marine engines. The tractors, excavator, and engine sales are a sideline. Kubota's bread and butter is tractors and engine sales. And since they don't private labes for anyone AFAIK, they are solely responsible for the design and content of their product.

 

[AH64ID]

Priority service. Since Kubota makes a substantial amount of commercial equipment, would it not be safe to assume that prioritization of service can also take place in a Kubota shop? That was my point.

Yes, but it depends on the local demographics. If there are more farmers with JD then that's where the service backup could exist.

 

[ata]

On what page did 6. 7 Ford Issues ... . Round Two QUIT or Go away.

 

[SierraRam]

I actually thought I clicked the wrong thread!

 

[Wingate]

Actually i think steering it off-course is my fault...

The Ford is back in the shop... . Not sure when he's gonna get it back. Just got another oil change on mine(my Ford) I am SOOOOOOOOO glad I don't have to work on that thing... Ya'll really owe it to yourself to stop at the local Ford dealership and pop the hood... . Just go ahead and climb up on the front bumper and just LOOK!!!. . Its an enginnering marvel, that Ford engineers were able to stuff all 25lbs. of crap into that 5 lb sack the way they did.....

If there were any hoseclamps out of place, the friggin hood wouldnt close!!!. .

 

[TFucili]

If there were any hoseclamps out of place, the friggin hood wouldnt close!!!. .

Now, that's something to be proud of!:-laf

 

[Mikey-KE7LBB]

'11+ Ford!!

Bump to the top for an update



I love the part of the hose clamp issue and have personally looked at the engineering nightmare... BTW :-laf I feel sorry for the techs.



PPPPPP (Prior Planning Prevents P*** Poor Performance)!!



I think about the 'quality in engineering' involved in the design of he newer pooperduty trucks by collapsing the bed of the '99+ by simply leaning against them. It's is appalling to say the least IMHO!



PS: 45k miles on the new '11 POS gasser (currently in the shop for transmission issues). Also, the bed is cracked in the same spot on both sides!!!



Forgot to mention the cracks on both sides of the bed on the boss' truck AND ALL of the 50+ '07 F-250 6. oh no! diesels that my company purchased simply because they got a "good deal" on them



EVERY one of them has a visible crack in the bed and EVERY one of them has had most (or all) of the injectors replace to date. . I feel that it has already had an impact and resulted in a great cost at some point in time ... And furthermore, has directly affected everyone's ability for advancement



Maybe a visit to PowerStrokeNation.com is in order to see what the Furd pooperduty owners really think about the '11+ models is in order!!!



Edit:Forgot to add that two of them have already completely grenaded so far... And more of them are sure to follow suit!



More cost = less chance of a raise because of another STUPID corporate decision!!! #@$%!

 

[HBarlow]

Mikey,

I was not aware of the thin and flimsy bed issues. The Furd news continues to provide humor.

 

[Yo Hoot]

My Wife drives a 2004 Buick Rainier (Chevy Trailblazer) and I drive the 2004 Dodge. Both since new. Both have been great. Not perfect but considering they are almost eight years old, pretty darn good. The few issues we had were early on and relatively minor. The Rainier just had some minor CEL issues that have been fixed. Her mileage sucks. My truck's biggest factory issue was the blend doors that they replaced for free. She's got around 75,000 on hers and I have 111,000.

I'm not going to argue with those who chose to purchase outside of the big three since I might do the same some day but my point is, we are slowly dying. Autoworkers are becoming landscaper types... unions will fall or lose credibility since there simply is not enough money to pay the outrageous demands they insist on. I'm not against organizing but it needs to be done with a future in mind.

It's really sad to see US manufacturing disappear. A lot of people blame it on the government. We elect them.

We need only blame ourselves and the complacency our lifestyles created. Many of us found ourselves riding the wave of the 60's, 70's and 80's boom and many are living off parents' left over wealth that they worked so hard to build.

Please don't beat me... because many still work hard and built up their own livelihood without the above mentioned help... but so much of this country has shifted from hard work ethic to "how can I make a living without going to work".

It's not going to stop. Many of the big manufacturers are not expanding at home. They are building elsewhere. Even the aerospace industry is doing things unheard of years ago. Boeing, the predominant commercial airplane maker, for the first time in it's history, farmed out it's wing design and production to Japan. Boeing was known for having the worlds best wing design experience. The new 787 wing is Japanese.

This talk about foreign is better might be true but it sends chills down my spine. Especially since these large purchases could have the effect of putting our neighbors and even ourselves out of work. Or at least leave us cutting someones grass.

 

[HBarlow]

I cannot disagree with anything you wrote but my wife and I have chosen cars like BMW, Toyota, Honda, and Nissan for 30 years. Almost all of them are better cars in many ways than anything made in America.

Experts at Consumer Reports have subjected all new models to objective testing for years and always rank them better. In some lines, American models are beginning to catch up and in some cases rank very well in testing but they are always late to arrive at high standards. Resale value is also much better on German and Japanese brands. We must keep in mind, many of the brands I cited are actually manufactured by non-union American workers in our country.

It IS tragic to see American manufacturing decline but excessive corporate taxes, excessive regulation, and outrageous wages and benefits demanded by labor unions driving prices out of reach of other Americans along with poor designs and poor quality control have done it to the auto industry. Labor unions and their political party are at the center of all of those issues.

Other consumer products like consumer electronics, furniture, and clothing are simply priced much more attractively and as good or better quality from developing nations.

We are not competing well in a global manufacturing economy.

 

[Wingate]

Bump to the top for an update



I love the part of the hose clamp issue and have personally looked at the engineering nightmare... BTW :-laf I feel sorry for the techs.



PPPPPP (Prior Planning Prevents P*** Poor Performance)!!



I think about the 'quality in engineering' involved in the design of he newer pooperduty trucks by collapsing the bed of the '99+ by simply leaning against them. It's is appalling to say the least IMHO!



PS: 45k miles on the new '11 POS gasser (currently in the shop for transmission issues). Also, the bed is cracked in the same spot on both sides!!!



Forgot to mention the cracks on both sides of the bed on the boss' truck AND ALL of the 50+ '07 F-250 6. oh no! diesels that my company purchased simply because they got a "good deal" on them



EVERY one of them has a visible crack in the bed and EVERY one of them has had most (or all) of the injectors replace to date. . I feel that it has already had an impact and resulted in a great cost at some point in time ... And furthermore, has directly affected everyone's ability for advancement



Maybe a visit to PowerStrokeNation.com is in order to see what the Furd pooperduty owners really think about the '11+ models is in order!!!



Edit:Forgot to add that two of them have already completely grenaded so far... And more of them are sure to follow suit!



More cost = less chance of a raise because of another STUPID corporate decision!!! #@$%!

There are several things going on with the Fords right now... . so of which I do not feel comfortable with commenting on at this time...

I can tell you that the one I drive still remains to be the only one that has not expired yet.

Our transmission issues that were supposedly fixed by some software and a few valve body parts have returned.

Most of the local dealerships have all basically stuck their heads in the sand except for one small dealership that is actually interested in helping... and we are now (FINALLY) working directly with several Ford engineers from Michigan along with the regional engineer, and of course, with that dealership... There is alot more slated to happen in the near future with several of these trucks... .

I just glad that Ford is realizing there IS an issue... . Some of the standard dealership responses that we have heard were... .

"thats what ya'll get for letting stupid *&^%$#$@ drive your trucks!!"

Also heard " We haven't heard of ANY issues with ANY of the Ford engines. ! Everybody tells us how great they are and about getting 25 MPG!"

My favorite is... " It MUST be something ya'll are doing wrong... You must not be doing the proper maintenence... " Funny thing is, that service advisor that said that was at the only dealership that had ever serviced my truck!!!. They have since been fired.

Anyway, as soon as we find out the outcome of what all is currently being tested. . I will gladly post more... if anybody is interested...







FWIW. . If only my digital camera was charged up last Monday evening... I was down in the Texas hill country near Centerville and came up on a couple of guys dragging a new F550 with the flatbed up onto a trailer that was being pulled by none other than a 4th gen Dodge 4500 flatbed... Not sure what was wrong, but I know the Ford wouldnt start... .

 

[Mikey-KE7LBB]

There are several things going on with the Fords right now... . so of which I do not feel comfortable with commenting on at this time...

I can tell you that the one I drive still remains to be the only one that has not expired yet.

This is very sad indeed!! Considering the fact that consumers (ambulance, fire, city, and small business owners) are suckered into the cheap price on the sticker and are later dang near bankrupted with repairs after the truck develops "Blue Oval Syndrome" (the disease that all Fords get after the warranty expires)



I am saddened by the fact that most of the emergency vehicles in the states depend on the quality of Ford

 

[HBarlow]

"BOS, Blue Oval Syndrome. " I like that.

 

[Mhannink]

Harvey, Have you had any problems with your Kubota. Hear they are really good tractors. Have a good friend who has one & has not had one problem with his. I believe he has had it 2 years.

for what it is worth my family specifically my uncle has been farming for well lets just say his kids are third generation. he also has a calpoly b. s. out here on the west coast thats one of the premier ag schools. anyways our family has farmed for a long time and we are getting up to close to 10k acres some ours some not. we are in the process of switching to kubota tractors only and soon that will be all we own as we are phaseing the older stuff the replacements are all kubota and thats it. my uncle loves them and they seem to be the best performer. so for those of you asking about how good they are that might give you an idea. this is on the commercial all day and night every day kind of running.

 

[Mikey-KE7LBB]

"BOS, Blue Oval Syndrome. " I like that.

I get dirty looks from the Furd owners almost every time I say it :-laf

I give myself a pat on the back for being the first to think of it

I've been using the term since '02 to make my boss get mad :-laf

Forgot to add that I glued his parking sign on the inside door of his favorite stall :-laf (got threatened with death AND being terminated)

And also the time that I stuck a Dallas Cowboys sticker over top of the Denver Donkeys sticker on his '99 Pooperduty truck!!! :-laf:-laf

And on 9-11-01... Called and told him to claim to be an illegal Mexican instead of Lebanese

 

[Mikey-KE7LBB]

Kinda off topic on the last post... Oops!!



I have a hard time with the companies that buy an entire fleet of junk and whine at the scum on the bottom of the totem pole when they start to fail



I got asked/chewed out about a transmission issue a few days ago and told the new boss to troll around on a few of the Ford forums to see what the owners really think of them :-{}



I also asked if I was fired... When he said no, I told him "That's good because I ain't gonna take an *** chewing on my own time!!!" His face was red and he quit talking instantly



BP... (AKA Bad People, Broken Pipes, Broken Promises, British Pricks) has had good luck with the fleet of '11 model 3500 SRW GMC's so far on the gassers.



Ford is an option for the pumpers/operators/automation techs that want them... Funny that the parking lot is dominated by Government Motors products :-laf



I wish they'd pull their heads out of their 'fourth point of contact' (US Army term) and buy Dodge!!!

 

[rwitt]

This is very sad indeed!! Considering the fact that consumers (ambulance, fire, city, and small business owners) are suckered into the cheap price on the sticker and are later dang near bankrupted with repairs after the truck develops "Blue Oval Syndrome" (the disease that all Fords get after the warranty expires)



I am saddened by the fact that most of the emergency vehicles in the states depend on the quality of Ford

I work for a very large Utility, and have been told by some of our fleet mechanics that we've lost 15 of the 6. 7 engines out of about 400 purchased so far. As Wingate said, and I'm sure he's heard the same thing I have, there's some major things going on with Fords Engineers and our Engineers, and about how this is going to be fixed. As with Wingate, I'm not comfortable commenting on what I've been told yet, but what they say the fix will be for our trucks is

Rich

 

[MChrist]

Rwitt, 4% of your fleet blew the motor? Over what period of time? Unfortunately, that percentage may increase.

 

[HEMI®Dart]

I am seeing more and more Ram C&C trucks with service beds and such...

Absolutely. In fact my town and several around me are building their ambulance's on a 2011 Dodge/Cummins 4500 C&C.

 

[rwitt]

Rwitt, 4% of your fleet blew the motor? Over what period of time? Unfortunately, that percentage may increase.

Yep, 15 of them so far. 5 just in my local area. Apparently theres a production time period (VIN #) when these things are known by Ford to have an issue and they are working to have a fix for it. It is unfortunate, especially after all the issues we've had with the 6. 0 and 6. 4's. The one I drive has been trouble free so far (16,000 miles) except for the terrible turbo lag and transmission shifting issues. Ford knows of the turbo lag issue (all the Chassis Cabs) but so far no fix for it.