6.7L Ford Issues...... Round TWO???

[Wingate]

Great... . drove it about 300 miles today... truck started out this morning with some sluggishness and surging... by the end of the day today, its got some pretty heavy turbo surge... seems to come up in stages, you can hold it on the floor and it steps up the IMAP in 5 psi increments with about a 3-4 second delay between steps...

Fun to drive when the truck is tipping the scales at around 18K... W. P. S. !!!. .

 

[Yo Hoot]

I hate to bring this up, but that's not unexpected since Hino is Toyota's truck and bus division. :-{}



My wife replaced her 2000 Durango with a 2008 Toyota Highlander - it's never had anything other than routine maintenance.



Rusty

My wife has a Buick Rainier (Trailblazer). We bought it the same year I bought my 04 Dodge. It has been about as perfect as you can get ... 8 years now and about 80,000 miles. Just put brakes and rotors on it all the way around. till looks like new. Buy American. We make great cars.

 

[Wingate]

Just an update... Transmission appears to be fixed... Got a Ford engineer involved and the trans. hasn't jumped into neutral or hung in 2nd gear since...

Fairley confident the turbo is fixing to fail, talked to several other guys at work that have already experienced turbo failures, and my current symptoms sound like a mirror image... the increase in air temps now that summer is coming on seems to be accellerating it as well. .

 

[DonFitzwater]

6. 7's are the biggest hunk of doo doo since that last engine Ford put into their trucks. I made a half dozen trips with my 2011 6. 7 F-350 and was fairly impressed. The first time I drove it in a blizzard I started to lose faith in it as it went into derate and limped for a while. Then the turbo's started failing, then an engine or two, then exhaust leaks, fuel leaks then the bad fuel economy came on... ... ... ... ... ... . well, never actually had good fuel economy but for a big heavy truck it was better than a gasser. Anyway, driving an 06 Dodge again and it's good to be away from those damn ford terds.

 

[Wingate]

I hope Ford eventually gets the new engine lined out. . Other than a couple of friends owning the pickup versions, the only credible source of info is from our fleet of C&C trucks. . We have not had the best of service out of them, good thing we have had a couple good dealerships willing to go the extra mile to keep these trucks running.

DF, we too have had turbo failures, engine failures, exhaust leaks, fuel leaks, horrible fuel efficiency, NOX sensor failures, DEF pump failures, transmission issues... etc. .

 

[HBarlow]

My wife has a Buick Rainier (Trailblazer). We bought it the same year I bought my 04 Dodge. It has been about as perfect as you can get ... 8 years now and about 80,000 miles. Just put brakes and rotors on it all the way around. till looks like new. Buy American. We make great cars.

Yep, buy American. Chuckle.

The Buick Rainier/Chevy Trailblazer is actually an Isuzu Ascender rebadged as a GM. Ugly vehicles but one of the most reliable ever badged and sold by Government Motors.

 

[Bill Stockard]

My wife has a Buick Rainier (Trailblazer). We bought it the same year I bought my 04 Dodge. It has been about as perfect as you can get ... 8 years now and about 80,000 miles. Just put brakes and rotors on it all the way around. till looks like new. Buy American. We make great cars.

My brother and sister in law bought a new Trailblazer and it was continuously one problem after another. They finally got fed up with it and traded it for a Hyundai and not a single problem with it... buy American?



Bill

 

[Road Dog]

Yep, buy American. Chuckle.



The Buick Rainier/Chevy Trailblazer is actually an Isuzu Ascender rebadged as a GM. Ugly vehicles but one of the most reliable ever badged and sold by Government Motors.

It's the other way around: the Ascender was built BY GM FOR Isuzu (in Ohio & Oklahoma).

 

[HBarlow]

Well, perhaps it was assembled in America but it is a Japanese design and Japanese product.

My Honda Goldwing was assembled in Marysville, OH by Ohioans but no one thinks a Honda Goldwing is an American motorcycle

 

[Yo Hoot]

Yep, buy American. Chuckle.

The Buick Rainier/Chevy Trailblazer is actually an Isuzu Ascender rebadged as a GM. Ugly vehicles but one of the most reliable ever badged and sold by Government Motors.

Harvey, I enjoy your posts but you are dead wrong on this one. Right about reliability, wrong about who makes the Trailblazer/Rainier. It's pure GM.
No it was NOT designed by the Japanese.
There were a few other vehicles that GM and Ford made for Japanese automobile companies. Isuzu Hombre a rebadged Chevrolet S-10/GMC Sonoma.
Mazda B-Series is a Ford Ranger.
Where in the heck do you come up with this?

Some seem to find it that hard to believe us Americans build quality vehicles.

The money you paid for your Honda went to Honda. . no matter where it was assembled.

 

[HBarlow]

Hoot, you're dreaming. Self deception is common but not of much value.

When those products were introduced several years ago a friend of mine bought one. He is a fanatically devoted Chevy owner and would never consider owning anything else. I chuckle at him and only occasionally remind him it is actually a Japanese car. It makes him red in the face when I tell him.

The Honda/GMC/Isuzu dealership in Lubbock sells all three off their lot. When that facelifted Isuzu model came out a few years ago they had several of the GMC branded Isuzus on the front lot and around on the other side they had an identical Ascender. Identical cars. Interestingly, this new product you prefer to dream is a GM appeared on the market precisely when the previous Isuzu Trooper was retired. Odd coincidence don't you think?

Any dummy can look at the so-called "styling" of those Isuzu Ascenders/Chevy/GMC/Buick and see the Japanese design clues and know instantly they didn't come off of a GM designer's pad. Consider the engines and drivetrains in them. Did those engines and transmissions ever appear in anything else but a GM badged Ascender?

 

[rscurtis]

I could be mistaken, but AFAIK, Isuzu has been out of the American vehicle market for some time, with the exception of their truck line. The original square Trooper had a good rep. , the Rodeo was also rebadged as a Honda Passport, and the I-mark, when it was sold here, was a disaster. Their MD trucks were a good product, their passenger vehicles left a lot to be desired when compared to the other Japanese offerings of the day.

 

[Yo Hoot]

Last Time Harvey... . you are dead wrong.
For your own satisfaction, you might want to do some research instead of deciding who designs what by looks alone LOL

By the way... lets not forget the SAAB 9-7x GM too!

 

[HBarlow]

You are only fooling yourself but if you are a labor union goon and determined to believe that your wife's Japanese car is made in America and if that makes you feel better it doesn't cost me anything. You are entitled to believe whatever you choose to believe.

 

[HBarlow]

I could be mistaken, but AFAIK, Isuzu has been out of the American vehicle market for some time, with the exception of their truck line. The original square Trooper had a good rep. , the Rodeo was also rebadged as a Honda Passport, and the I-mark, when it was sold here, was a disaster. Their MD trucks were a good product, their passenger vehicles left a lot to be desired when compared to the other Japanese offerings of the day.

The Isuzu Ascender was introduced to the market the same year the ugly rebranded GM models of the same car appeared. I think that was about 2005 or 2006, not sure. Slow sales of the Isuzu model may have caused it to disappear.

 

[Yo Hoot]

Harvey, now I see why so many here have given you a piece of their minds.

Now show me anything that indicates that the GMT360 platform was designed and built by anyone other than GM.

Make a fool out of me with some kind of proof.

Waiting... .

A little help... . you must be confused with the Colorado/Canyon pickup

Main article: GMT355
The GMT 355 is the redesigned S/T compact pickup truck design and the successor to the GMT 325 series. GMT 355s are built in Shreveport, Louisiana and Rayong, Thailand. GMT 355 uses an A-arm independent suspension in front and live axle with leaf springs in the rear. The Atlas straight-4 and straight-5 engines are widely used, starting in 2009, a 5. 3L V8 was added. A 4-speed automatic and 5-speed manual transmission are also specified.
The GMT 355 platform was actually a joint-venture with Isuzu, though most of the design was done by Isuzu. Part of the agreement was that GM had to sell it first in the U. S. , to be sold legally as an Isuzu. Despite its close numbering to the GMT 360 (also part of the S/T family) series, the two programs share nothing.
GMT 355 Applications:
Chevrolet Colorado
GMC Canyon
Holden Rodeo
Isuzu D-Max (Isuzu i-Series)
Hummer H3
[edit]GMT 360

Main article: GMT360
The GMT 360 debuted in 2002 with the Chevrolet TrailBlazer, GMC Envoy, and Oldsmobile Bravada, as the next generation S/T mid-size SUV's. While it replaced the GMT 330, it shared nothing with the older platform. It used hydroformed frame rails like the larger GMT 800, and was built for GM's Atlas inline engines. The GMT 360 (and the long-wheelbase GMT 370) went on to be one of the most rebadged GM products with six different marques represented.
The 360 uses an independent suspension in front. In the rear, the Ascender and TrailBlazer use a 5-link rear suspension, while the rest have an air suspension. A 4-speed automatic is the only transmission available.
This line is scheduled for replacement during 2009, however, possibly with crossover vehicles based on the Epsilon, Lambda, or Sigma platforms. The GMT 361 replacement program has been cancelled at this point.
Applications:
GMT 305
2004-2005 GMC Envoy XUV
GMT 360
2002-2008 Chevrolet TrailBlazer
2002-2008 GMC Envoy
2002-2004 Oldsmobile Bravada
2003-2007 Isuzu Ascender
2004-2007 Buick Rainier
2005-2008 Saab 9-7X
GMT 368
2003-2006 Chevrolet SSR
GMT 370
2002-2006 Chevrolet TrailBlazer EXT
2002-2006 GMC Envoy XL
2003-2007 Isuzu Ascender 7-passenger

 

[HBarlow]

Harvey, I enjoy your posts but you are dead wrong on this one. Right about reliability, wrong about who makes the Trailblazer/Rainier. It's pure GM.
No it was NOT designed by the Japanese.
There were a few other vehicles that GM and Ford made for Japanese automobile companies. Isuzu Hombre a rebadged Chevrolet S-10/GMC Sonoma.
Mazda B-Series is a Ford Ranger.
Where in the heck do you come up with this?

Some seem to find it that hard to believe us Americans build quality vehicles.

The money you paid for your Honda went to Honda. . no matter where it was assembled.

The money I paid for my Honda Goldwing went to Honda and was distributed to the shareholders of Honda, whoever and wherever they may be. Same as your so-called American car. The shareholders of GM stock including some citizens of Japan and anywhere else around the world receive a portion of the distribution of profit.

Your simplistic belief that GM, Furd, and Chrysler are "American" products and Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Subaru, Isuzu are Japanese products is naive at best. The actual contents of your so-called American cars is components manufactured in whatever country and by whatever company was the lowest bidder.

The "GM-360 platform" means nothing more than a label was assigned to those vehicles assembled in an American union car factory.

 

[Tractorat]

I wonder what the issue is here ? The japanese make a far better car than the US automakers. If its quality you are looking for, I think I would prefer the car designed in japan. Even if it is assembled here in the US.



What I prefer about American cars are the features, gimmicks, etc.

 

[HBarlow]

I agree. My wife and I haven't owned an "American" car other than a few classic '50s Chevrolets in the 30+ years we've been married. She has owned several Toyotas, a BMW, two Hondas, and a Nissan.

I've owned a VW Golf, a BMW, several Furd trucks, and since 2001, three Mexican Dodge Rams that have all been outstanding trucks.

 

[Yo Hoot]

Harvey I would appreciate if you didn't pretend to quote things I never said.
I never said foreign cars are inferior and I agree many Japanese and Asian cars are excellent.

I might not be as old as you but...

I pumped gas right after the oil embargo and watched then modify the pump mechanical wheel display to add the dollar digit. Meanwhile we had to calculate the cost of every fillup based on 99c + the amount over $1.

As prices rose I was there when the first Hondas came out... the Civic and the Prelude. Both the same car but different bodystyles. I call them sh!tboxes. They couldn't make them fast enough. Fuel economy was selling everything that was good on gas. The US manufacturer's were asleep at the wheel.

You also saw the first Toyotas... the little pickup trucks were selling like hotcakes. More little sh!tboxes. They rusted faster than you could change the parts.

Long story short... US manufacturers played catchup from then on. Honda and Toyota knew that the US mentality would be easy to beat. We are capitalists who have zero patriotism when it comes to the mighty dollar. Actually that's a good thing in some ways but the implications for the long term could be devastating to this country's manufacturing well being.

Asian manufacturers focused on designing and building a car that was dependable and efficient. Americans loved them.

Today the day of American manufacturing on the scale as it was is long gone. That's why "American" cars trucks and planes are no longer predominantly American. We sold out due to laziness and greed.

My family doesn't own a car and hasn't since the early 90's. I drove many foreign cars. Bought a Maxima for my Wife's Grandmother and picked up a Honda Accord for my late daughter. Fine for them but my Wife and I despise small cars. They feel like death on the road. . especially today with all of the totally irresponsible drivers. We like our larger vehicles. To us, cars are useless.

Harvey lets see your proof that the Trailblazer (GMT360) was designed by someone other than GM.