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My brother is looking at an 07 6. 7L with a six speed. He asked me how strong the transmission and clutches are. I dont know a thing about the newer ones. Can anyone give him some insight about the pros and cons with the newer 6 speeds?



Anything else he should double check on the 6. 7L trucks like the famous lift pumps that was on the second generation?
 
Tulsa Okie is talking about an Aisin six speed automatic, not a manual six speed. The Aisin seems to be outstanding and the MOPAR 68RFE automatic is reportedly excellent also.

The G-56 manual six speed is a German designed Brazilian made aluminum case six speed. It has a good reputation and is probably as reliable and durable as the previous NV-5600 built by New Venture.

The dual mass flywheel/clutch assembly is another matter altogether. Many have reported early failures of the dmf or clutch and are converting them to a conventional flywheel and clutch. Some report that the conventional clutch creates some noise, harshness, and vibration issues.
 
HBarlow- does the g-56 come from the factory with the dual mass flywheel/clutch assembly? How much does it cost to convert them to conventional clutches? Is it pretty involved? How does the new autos compare to the stick? Are the 48RE on the older trucks any good. I see everyone rebuilds them and makes the bullet proof. My first guess is that they are not that strong.
 
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I've got the g-56 in my '07 5. 9. It's a great setup,but had the 6-speed auto been available for my 5. 9,that's the way I'd probably have gone. I dumped $4,000 into my old '98. 5 47re and just couldn't justify repeating that effort on a 48re.
 
So you would of chose the 6 spd auto over the 6 spd manual? Is it because of convienence of not shifting so much or is it stronger?
 
HBarlow- does the g-56 come from the factory with the dual mass flywheel/clutch assembly? How much does it cost to convert them to conventional clutches? Is it pretty involved? How does the new autos compare to the stick? Are the 48RE on the older trucks any good. I see everyone rebuilds them and makes the bullet proof. My first guess is that they are not that strong.

Yes, all trucks equipped with the G-56 manual six speed were equipped by Dodge from the factory with dual mass flywheel and clutch assemblies apparently for reasons of reducing what the auto manufacturers refer to as NVH (noise, vibration, and harshness).

The dual mass flywheel assembly dampens out the low rpm power (torque) pulses of the mighty Cummins engine which reduces stresses on the aluminum case G-56 and eliminates the "marbles in a tin can" rattle effect of the earlier Gen II manual transmission trucks. My first Dodge-Cummins was an '01 Ram 3500 HO six speed. If I slowed the truck to make a low speed turn and accelerated gently in third gear from low rpm it would rattle the tranmission like "marbles shaken in a tin can. "

I don't know but would guess the conversion to conventional flywheel and clutch assembly costs around $1200-$1500 plus labor. Southbend Clutch, a TDR advertiser and respected clutch manufacturer and supplier, sells a kit. I think it is a simple bolt-in installation.

In my opinion, the new six speed automatics compare VERY favorably with the manual trucks. The automatics offer better gearing choices, two overdrive gears, are comfortable and easy to drive, and don't give up anything in the way of economy, performance, or driveability like automatic transmissions once did.

Given the failure rate of the dual mass flywheel I consider the automatics more reliable overall and cheaper to operate. The newer manuals may also suffer from some emissions related driveability issues regarding throttle pedal response and drop to idle speed when the driver's foot is lifted according to some comments I have read by owners. Some will disagree with me in my opinion of the advantages of an automatic over the manual six speed. Dodge sells both and buyers are free to choose.

I have no personal experience with the new Dodge 68RFE but TDR members seem to like it. My truck is a cab and chassis equipped at the factory with an Aisin six speed automatic.

The older MOPAR 48RE automatics were relatively tough transmissions and by model years '06 and '07 were fully integrated with the ECM/PCM and could be equipped with an exhaust brake under factory warranty. I owned a new '06 Ram 3500 with factory ordered Jacobs Exhaust Brake.

The 48RE won't hold up to heavy trailer towing or high horsepower/torque applications indefinitely. All of them have to be rebuilt to toughen them up and make the launches and shifts firmer with less slippage. A full aftermarket performance rebuild with all the aftermarket billet steel components will cost around $6500 or more. Not cheap. And even after spending that much money the owner still has a lousy three speed automatic plus overdrive which is a compromise transmission for towing, at best. Even with all that high cost modification they will still overheat when backing a heavy trailer up a grade slowly if any maneuvering is required.

If I was looking for a good late model used truck and my budget would allow it, I would look hard at '08s. Some '07. 5s, the first of the ISB6. 7s have suffered with lots of emissions related soot issues and required computer reflashes and some component replacement.
 
Thank you very much HBarlow for you in depth look on the transmission. This information will for sure help my brother in chosing the correct transmission and truck for that matter.



Damn, now I want a six speed auto. Hmmmmm ohhhhh honey...
 
I agree with Harvey, as an owner of a manual 6 speed. I love my manual trans and wouldn't trade it for anything. But Harvey is 100% correct and the emissions do create some funny throttle response issues when in regeneration. When not in regen the truck is totally normal but in regen there seems to be some sort of stumble when going from off throttle, exhaust brake on then back on the throttle. I have found that I need to apply the throttle more gently than usual during regen. I don't mind this little quirk since I am used to it now and the truck rarely stumbles anymore but it was annoying in the beginning.

That said, I love my manual trans and dodge is the only one to offer it. I couldn't pass up owning a Cummins with a manual trans. Adding the miles and loving it!
 
The six spped auto is the one to get, i have a 2007 with the six speed manual and it has always sucked, its been hard to shfft and the clutch bearing went out and cost me a whole dual mass flywheel set up, over $1500 for parts and lablor and of course backordeed from the factory, i regularly changed the oil in it but is a sack from the first day and never really shifted right, the reverse is hell to get in due to odd pattern, I figure i will convert it to a sae 2 flywheel hosuing and run a fuller 6 speed conversion when it goes belly up any day, right at 98,000 thousand miles on it just going back and forth between 3 ranches with dirts roads ever day and rarely haul anything. I would buy the Asin six spped if i ever found somebody who did the conversion with a new transmission and was qualified, i hate to think what a dodge stealership would charge for that!!! The nv 4500s and the nv 5600 are not repairable with american parts anymore, time to think real medium truck transmission from a real shop like the class 678 trucks use and forgot the wannabee transmission dodge slapped in and quick making parts for.
 
The Aison auto has a bad setup on the OD,s in my opinion, and its the reason I purchased my 07 C&C with the G56. Now if the 68RFE was available in the C&C I might have concidered it, but I'm a manual fan and probably would still have got the G56. FWIW, no DMF problems. :)
 
Love the 6 spd manual, fun to shift without the clutch too. Works really good with exhaust brake burbling and slowing that load down.

Ken
 
The Aison auto has a bad setup on the OD,s in my opinion, and its the reason I purchased my 07 C&C with the G56. Now if the 68RFE was available in the C&C I might have concidered it, but I'm a manual fan and probably would still have got the G56. FWIW, no DMF problems. :)



Whats wrong with the OD on the asin's??? I never heard about anybody complaining about them, lots of pipeliner welders have them and have not griped that i have ever heard, figures it be the od for sure if it is?? Do you have one that has persoanlly failed and what happened and how was its repair handled, dont it have a extra special warranty on it by the way i seem to remember???
 
Turn OD off, and 4 gears only, 5th and 6th are considered overdrive, and you can't select shift manually through the gears like the 68RFE. I didn't say they are not liked, I said I didn't like them when I was test driving them. :)
 
Of course you can. Every gear can be selected by use of the shifter handle or toggle in the end of the shifter.

Each of the lower gears can be selected with the shifter. Sixth can be locked out by selecting Tow/Haul mode. Fifth and sixth can be locked out by selecting OD off.
 
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