60 more HP than MACH 6???????

[jtisdale]

Why dont you just sell them and move on.

Are you intrested in buying them? They are for sale.

 

[Crazygator]

Are you intrested in buying them? They are for sale.

Always looking, only if they are a deal!

 

[Idaho CTD]

WOW! Didn't mean to start any fights guys :-{}





I just felt that this sounded pretty far fetched considering I read on another post a while back that Don experimented with bigger sticks and lost HP Other claims have been made that bigger connector tubes have lost HP also!



The combination of the these two items would "probably" net LESS HP than MACH 6's and stock tubes... ... ... ... ... I feel that the majority of us should know better than to trust this BUT, you never know maybe they do! I personally will stick with what I know

The whole issue is Dan doesn't want to tap the pump wire. Don has optimized his injectors for the use of pump wire tapping box. That way he can keep the drivability up for those that want to run them on the street. I dont know for sure but I dont believe Dan relayed this info to the person he bought the injectors from. Had he done so Don probably would have built him a different injector or turned down the sale.



Dan with stock nozzles and twins your truck will only dyno around 200hp. I have run a set of injectors from Don that did over 500hp without the comp box so I know it is possible but they dynoed lower then others with the comp box on. I honestly dont see why you dont just tap the pump wire and be done with it. You'll make 150hp or so more then you make now and have all the egt's you'll want.



Sled Head,



I can produce my dyno sheets for 648. 6hp uncorrected on #2. If anyone has done higher then that I have never heard about, with a 24v anyway. A person might be able to do it on a load dyno but I haven't seen that either. I believe Tim Barber has done in the 640's as well and Trevor Wood is knocking on the 640's so it's not just a fluke. I haven't heard of anyone going faster in the 1/4 then the trucks with F1 injectors either, drug free anyway. I guess I dont know how much proof you need but it looks to me like that's pretty good evidence.



Nathan

 

[justinp20012500]

I haven't heard of anyone going faster in the 1/4 then the trucks with F1 injectors either, drug free anyway. I guess I dont know how much proof you need but it looks to me like that's pretty good evidence.

Are we just talking about 24V's????





Roadwarrior,



Tell me what you do not like about running the 6's. I want to get a set that are comparable.



I am running an EZ with DD 3's (I know I know... small setup) I currently run right around 40-42 psi and can't get the pyro past 950* I am happy with were I am at right now. I do have a 3 wire blue box that I ran with the above setup, and after doing fire rings and studs and a new VP I never got around to piercing the pump wire. I probably will do it eventually...





Justin

 

[Bob Wagner]

I sold Roadwarrior my HOT Mach 3's and then took the 3's back in trade for the set of Mach 6's.



Dan's complaint from the being is he does not like the lack of smoke and heat that the Mach 6's provide.



correct me if I'm wrong but that is all the Dan told me.



To my knowledge Dan has not dynoed his combination.

 

[justinp20012500]

Bob,



What is the difference between HOT 3's and "regular" 3's???

Dan's complaint from the being is he does not like the lack of smoke and heat that the Mach 6's provide.

Why in the world would he be upset about the lack of heat????







Justin

 

[Bob Wagner]

the mach 3's were one of Don's first edm injectors. Don is always looking for ways to perfect the Mach line of injectors. The Mach 6's are the newer design.

 

[justinp20012500]

Ok,





Then the HOT 3's are newer then the "regular" 3's?? No HP difference, no heat difference???





What about heat from the Mach 6's????







Justin

 

[Idaho CTD]

Are we just talking about 24V's????

Yes. Don hasn't built any 12v stuff for awhile and is focusing on the 24v and 3rd gen stuff now.

 

[Bob Wagner]

Dan, I just installed a set of Mach 4's into my truck. I can see why you might be ****** off.



There is very very little smoke with these new injectors, I have a very hard time even off boost it just isn't there but the CaTCHER may have something to do with that too.



Granted if you are looking for smoke, the new injectors won't be for you.



But these injectors Oo.

 

[ROADWARRIOR]

For the record, I am not bashing Mach injectors or Bob or anyone or anything. If that was my intent, I would have done it a long time ago, when this was all fresh.



Nathan had done a good job informing me about the need to run a comp box with the 6's to get the numbers in a different thread a while ago. I soaked that in and left it at that. I'm not crying about my injectors and I never mentioned them in the post. I just stated that I believe there are more powerful injectors made with out the aid of a fueling box. If you read carefully, Nathan said this also. SO, THAT IS ALL I SAID AND I WASN'T TRYING TO KNOCK AYNTHING.



It is crap like this that makes me want to be quiet about stuff and let others find out stuff for themselves, the expensive way. If someone had told me I needed a box to make these perform, I wouldn't have bought them in the first place. But, that has nothing to do about my first post.



Thanks for your time,

Dan

 

[Turbo Thom]

I don't have a dog in this hunt and won't have. But still there are a few things that need to be cleared up. Dan..... The comment about the dyno is wrong. You don't need dyno numbers? How do you know what the results are without it? Your butt has another function other than HP detection. From reading this entire post, somebody doesn't understand the operation of a diesel. An increase in one aspect of HP is necessitated by an increase on the other. Fuel and air.



It sounds like you just bought some injectors that you don't like and are stuck with them. From I've seen from the HP wars in the last year or so, is the EDM process is crap. And I'll keep that opinion till I'm proved wrong. This is not to start a fight, but the honed process is best, hands down. On the dyno it proves itself. Make a run, change injectors, spin the roller, change timing, spin it again. A drag truck is the best test mule. The changes made on Darrens truck is just mind bogglin. (Southern word) In the end he's at 761. 5 HP with new injectors on the way. Honed of course. The new fangdangled EDM's made heat, smoke, starvaton, and no power. Before the season starts we expect that truck at 800 HP on #2. Oh, and that's on a cam out of a skid steer loader. Stock?



That said, why post the conversion on TDR? Get with Don, and get what you want. He'll do right, with the Dyno numbers. And remember, you have a 24V. There are limits.



. . Preston. .

 

[ROADWARRIOR]

Preston,



I never meant for my initial post to start any of this bs. I just don't like someone portraying me as a complete idiot. Partial is fine. I never once posted anything negative about the Mach 6's. I just said there is bigger. You just said the same thing. Other people brought my current injectors into this thread, not me.



I still don't grasp all the dyno numbers hype. If I can't feel the hp increase(80 advertised hp) why bother with it at all if I'm not into bragging rights or competition. And I know my can is for other things, but I would surely think you should be able to feel an increase of 80hp on a low to mid 400hp truck. Like you not buying into EDM's until proven wrong, I don't buy into needing a dyno to see a 15% to 20% increase in hp. I should be able to detect that without a dyno printout.



I understand the air and fuel mixture concept. I had a lot of excess air and was hoping to increase my fueling levels to utilize the air from my twins. If your truck maxed out at 1050egt, wouldn't you try to increase the fuel to get it to the max safe temp of say 1250egt. That is what I was trying to do by purchasing an 80hp bigger injector. I didn't/don't understand why nothing changed from 3's to 6's. That's all.



I don't care about the injectors not being as wonderful as I hoped for anyways. Did I ever post that F1 injectors are bunk in my initial reply to this thread? Did I ever say I wasn't happy with them in my initial reply? That is not what my first post was about. I just was trying to pass along what you said. That there may be bigger injectors than the EDM's mentioned in the thread title.







Please kill this thread. I'm defending something I never ever brought up.





Dan

 

[Sled Puller]

It makes no sense to me whatsoever, to go with bigger injectors and not have the electronics to go with it.



If a vendor sold you injectors, claiming to make big power without the electronics, its pretty close to fraud.



Thurbo Thom,

"He'll do right, with the Dyno numbers".



Playing spin the roller, is not real world, sorry.

 

[Jim Fulmer]

Preston and others, sorry to hear you guys don't like the EDM's (granted I run another brand) as you know I ran honed 370's for a year and a half but they weren't big injectors (20 MPG) but when I went to the EDM's I currently run there was a big difference in power without a loss in drivability after I dropped to a smaller DV (022's to 181's ) with the honed ones and power was definitely down then put in the EDM's and gained 20 psi of boost in valet, I personally love these injectors... ... and they can be as rude as you want with a DV change, I like the tighter pattern over the standard holes (yes I've seen the piston differences) and see no need in changing but a tad small set might be cool to test against.



Jim

 

[Turbo Thom]

Gene... ... If you think the dyno is not of this world, then you don't have the intelligence I gave you credit for. Talking to you at Muncie for the last two years I thought you were a pretty smart fellow. But now you pull the scales from my eyes and I see you for the ninny you are. Just be glad you are pulling the sled. On the strip you would get your tail kicked. Not understanding the art of making HP would leave you so embarressed you would quit. The dyno is a tool, just like the boxend wrench. This is the end of my input with this thread.



Bye now.



. . Preston. .

 

[Sled Puller]

The dyno is a tool, but sometimes it seems it is used for fraudulent sales.



Yes, you are right, I did get my tail kicked on the strip-in the final round. Yawn. Life as a ninny.

 

[Bob Wagner]

Mach 6'S produce more power than advertised

The 6's always make the power they are advertised to make. Here are some

examples:



Doug Smith:

200 Stock ETC truck

433 with injectors only/no box ( Single turbo and 4. 10 gears )



Nathan Wright:

200 stock ETC truck

450 injectors only/no box ( twin turbos )



Horace Mast:

220 Stock ETH truck

500 Injectors and Hot Rod VP/no box ( twin turbos )



Tim Barber:

200 Stock ETC truck

440 injectors only/no box ( twin turbos )

 

[Sled Puller]

NO OTHER CHANGES, Bob?

Those guys all took the time and changed injectors with no other changes and made that kind of power?



Would it be safe to say they could feel the power change? Or did they need a dyno to let them know there was a difference?

 

[justinp20012500]

I remeber that Ray Gullet (SPL) made close to around 500 without a box on just JR's injectors.



I agree the dyno is a tool. But after you take into the correction factors and different types of dynos people run on I have become a huge skeptic...



Bob, you never did answer my question, what is difference between Mach 3's and Mach 3's???? (Besides they are newer)