Competition 6000 Rpm's!

[JasonCzerak]

Nice reaction time there drag racer. You sleeping? Or playing with your stick, trying to find the right gear?

yup, i guess i have been caught!

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[TurboTweaker]

Jason, lets see you line up with jake and beat him at the light, oh mighty starter of the thread "GREAT RACE STORIES!" you seem to be a good keyboard racer, bring it to the track in the spring out at grove creek.



The Fat Kid

Andy

 

[DRAG DIESEL]

that's only 94 thousenths off a perfect light... granted it's not the best, but it got the win in a bracket round, and that's all that matters

 

[TurboTweaker]

if i could post a pic of my . 500 light i would but all that i get is a white blur. ran a . 500 light or perfect light in a bracket race and broke out but . 010. ANYWAYS BACK TO A 6000 RPM MOTOR! WHO KNOWS WHAT?



The Fat Kid

Andy

 

[SpicyJam]

Nice reaction time there drag racer. You sleeping? Or playing with your stick, trying to find the right gear?

Oh boy, Jason you need to be schooled... ... ... ... ... ... ..... guess like everything you should know the facts before your fingers start racing.





Now with the fact of spinning a Cummins at 6000rpm. For those who have there cams ground to a specific profile at what rpm do you think you are making peak power at, Comp is saying around 4000+, I think? I am just trying to get a grip on this topic so I understand. If you are spinning the motor up just for wheel speed, how do you sled pullers find the fine line of wasted power and getting max power to the ground to pull the sled, if there is even such a thing. Guess what I am trying to figure out is as an old gasser drag racer, anything above my cams peak power was a waste, adds seconds to the clock, so if a Cummins spinning @ 6000rpm, and it seems to be only for wheel speed, would you not be more apt to keep the rpm around peak power to pull the sled, and gear a little different for the wheel speed? I am not a puller, I am just trying to understand how this science works that's all.

 

[Turbo Tim 1]

A while back everyone buddy Gale Banks was on TV talking about making "Big" horsepower (650) :-laf with a Duramax turning 5,000 rpm's. Now let's assume that someone is feeding Comp some BS dyno sheets I've got to believe that if Schieds 1000+ hp falls on it's face past 4700 rpm then they wouldn't be turning it higher than that. Now torque numbers are going to be down with big rpm but horsepower doesn't have to be.



So lets say you have a Cummins turning 3400 rpm and making 600 hp you can only drag around just so much weight and turn just a certain gear ratio before it falls on it's face, now lets assume you can make that same horsepower at 6000 rpm, you can still turn the same gears and pull the same weight only alot faster. The guy at 3400 rpm with 3. 55 gears, 33 inch tires and a 1:1 transmission ratio has 35 mph of wheel speed, the guy turning 6000 rpm has a little over 61 mph wheel speed with the same setup. Whose going to win? I agree that if not set up right an engine will fall on it's face at a certain point but just because comp doesn't know how to make power above 4700 rpm doesn't mean others don't

 

[JasonCzerak]

On my next trip to MI, I'll dig up my time slips with the Audi. at 1500 miles old took me a few times to get the launch right. Most of my RT's are at . 200-ish. with consistant 14. 0-14. 2 ET's in an AWD 4 cylinder turbo 6 speed with an "assist" clutch that does nothing but get in the way. With out a doubt, one of the most difficult combinations to launch right.



Hmm I wonder were the slips are for my truck. I did some base line runs while stock with that last summer. I'll have to dig them up as well.





EDIT: Grove? sure. Never did an 1/8 mile before why not. Tho a run on a full 1/4 should happen as well.

Jason, lets see you line up with jake and beat him at the light, oh mighty starter of the thread "GREAT RACE STORIES!" you seem to be a good keyboard racer, bring it to the track in the spring out at grove creek.



The Fat Kid

Andy

 

[JasonCzerak]

that's only 94 thousenths off a perfect light... granted it's not the best, but it got the win in a bracket round, and that's all that matters

heheheh. Yep. Exactly.



buddy of mine on his Superhawk, with his fat 300 pound *** would run mid 11's. The bike has some work done to is natually. He was up againsed a hyabussa (spelling?) This bike was FAST, he was putzing around in the 9's all day.



But it was bracket racing, so that didn't matter. Light goes gree, my buddy red lights, keeps going WOT, at the 1/8 mile or so, the hybussa thinks about it, goes and still creams my buddy at the traps. freaking showoff

 

[JasonCzerak]

Oh boy, Jason you need to be schooled... ... ... ... ... ... ..... guess like everything you should know the facts before your fingers start racing.

Sure. school me



This spring/summer for sure. Lets see about renting a full 1/4 mile track out for a day. Shouldn't be to bad if we have enough people.



I did not do any of the work as in calling up the track and setting one up. But the R/T Dakota and (vesus) SVT lightening clubs in southeasten MI did this a few years ago and turned out to be $40 or $50 per car for like 6 or 8 hours or something.



I was thinking off the top of my head, rockfalls there in WI?

 

[SpicyJam]

Yo Jason this is not the thread for this crap.

Do us a favor... ... ... ... ... keep the thread on track please.

 

[JasonCzerak]

Yo Jason this is not the thread for this crap.

Do us a favor... ... ... ... ... keep the thread on track please.

heh, yeah, like it was going to stay on track from the second post on to begin with...



EDIT: ok, maybe 11-ish on. ;-)

 

[SpicyJam]

heh, yeah, like it was going to stay on track from the second post on to begin with...



EDIT: ok, maybe 11-ish on. ;-)

Well for a few of us here in the MN, WI area we are curious about this because we have bigger projects than key board racing and gum flapping. This happens just too many times in threads. So sad when "some people just don't care"... ... ... . it does make it hard to keep things on track, and you are no help not understanding reaction times, or even helping with anything... ... ... ... I give up, you are the best Jason, your truck is the fastest , you know all ... ... ... ... ... ..... wish you were in the business , then you could adjust your own valves, and sit high on your hobbie horse and, Oo.

 

[JasonCzerak]

Well for a few of us here in the MN, WI area we are curious about this because we have bigger projects than key board racing and gum flapping. This happens just too many times in threads. So sad when "some people just don't care"... ... ... . it does make it hard to keep things on track, and you are no help not understanding reaction times, or even helping with anything... ... ... ... I give up, you are the best Jason, your truck is the fastest , you know all ... ... ... ... ... ..... wish you were in the business , then you could adjust your own valves, and sit high on your hobbie horse and, Oo.

When did I say my truck or I was the best? For crying out loud. I was just poking fun at a RT. geeez oh peats. You guys are no better then any of these other guys here with this crap.



And yes, I was requesting help with the valves for 2 reasons. One, I don't have tools or a garage here in MN. I have yet to buy a house.



Second, I'm new to owning a diesel. It would, in exchange for some beer, food and cash to make sure I'm not doing something stupid.



I can pick apart from how people talk and what knowledge they have to offer as being smarter then the average bear. Have I ever said you or Andy havn't a clue how your truck works? I think not. I'm interesting in this thread as much as you guys are, if not more interested to what COMP and the others have to say.



As far as racing, That I been doing that since I can ever remember. I just don't live at a race track every day. It's not my job.



As for keyboard racing. HA. That's funny.



Also, Sorry for the off topic post about a gathering some time this spring/summer and renting a track. It's not the end of hte world tho.



As far as this post. I'm done with this rant. Back to the 6000rpm's please. If you still have issues with this and me. PM me. or start a thread "Jason Czerak sucks" or something. I don't care.

 

[TurboTweaker]

easy buddy, i was just poking fun no harm intended.



Back to 6000RPM'S PLEASE



The Fat Kid

Andy

 

[biggy238]

Anyone have something to share about the machining/balancing? I've wondered about this longer than i've had my truck. . The bottom ends are heavy. . how much can be removed safely?



I can whip all your *****... . just let me get my joystick...



And how about we never hear about a Duramax being spectacular on here. . uummm. . yeah. . pretty much ever... I can pay other entities to hear about them... I payed for the cummins line of engines to be talked about on this site.



(they don't make flame suits that big. . ) and don't start up about how threatening they are either and how nieve I am... we've already done that...



6000rpm or bust (naturally)



edit... I guess it's dead now. . anyone want to start another thread?

 

[jtisdale]

Andy, did you contact any of the people I had suggested last week?

 

[TurboTweaker]

negitive pigpen, but i have talked with a few others who will remain nameless. if im building a pulling motor i will talk to pullers, mostly tractor pullers runing the DT360 motors as it is the closest to our little 5. 9L. i have recived a few good ideas. Jim I forgot who you said to talk to, sorry man.



The Fat Kid

Andy