7.3 powerjoke to dodge

[Gweeds12V]

I know some people might not like this, but... I'll take my simplistic, mechanically injected 12V over a 7. 3 pstroke. My 7. 3 left me stranded on the road with computer failures once a year for the past 9 years, this is why i love my basic 95 12V that has always gotten me from point A to point B and has never left me stranded on the road.

 

[roadking]

I take care of my s. . t this truck has given more hart aches. Pullin the oil pan morning

 

[Dieselnut59]

back in the mid 80's my mother had a lincoln cont with a bmw diesel in it, a slant 6 cyl, with about 2. 4 litre's, very excellent running car. i briefly had a ford dump with the 8. 3 myself, had issue's with where the air compressor bolted to the engine, it cracked. i was told this was a weak design back then. my best friend is a certified cummins mechanic, who began training exclusively on the 4b/6bt and 6ct [8. 3] engine's back in 86', and went up to the earliest days of the common rail. he told me back then that the b series were much more reliable then the c series engines. hence the reason i unloaded the 8. 3 early. went to dt 466 power for the most part after that, in 11 years of owning them, the only time i put a wrench to one was for a water pump. IH also had 5. 9 engine called the dt360, a sleeved design, that weighed in close to 1400lbs. had it not been for the fact it was a bit larger and heavier then the cummins 5. 9, it would have made an excellent pickup engine.

Yup, the DT360 was a great engine... I often wondered why Ford did not use it as their pickup engine. I guess you explained it there... weight.

I have heard the same things about the early 8. 3s, but I believe it was resolved (like the dowel pin issue). Regardless, I believe it is tough to beat a 466 in that engine class.

 

[AHarris]

Anyone swapped a hemi into their Cummins powered truck?



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Just kidding and not trolling! :-laf:-laf:-laf

 

[FLynes]

As a multiple CTD owner and a current 6. 0 Powerjoke owner, I can tell you that the Navistar/International Harvester engine is a giant piece of sh!$, compared to any of the CTDs I've owned.



Yes, my '01 had some LP issues, but I replaced it with an Air Dog FP100 and never had another problem with my fuel system. Thanks to the TDR, if I would have needed to replace my VP, I could have.



My '05 only had one problem, which was fixed by a flash for the injectors. I never had another day's problem with it, and I should never have gotten rid of it (spur of the moment jack@$$ brainfart).



My '04 F350 King Ranch is a great truck. By that I mean that the interior blows Dodge away by a mile, and I've owned three Dodges. My biggest problem with the Dodge interior is the continual problem with cracked dashes, rust on the lower door panels/rocker panels, and just the lack of engineering, when it comes to cup holders... . thank God for Geno's! I would love to shoot the silly sob who designed the cup holders on my '97. My '05 had good cupholders, I will admit.



That said, looking good on the side of the road gets you nowhere, which is why I will be dropping an early-build '04 CTD in my truck, when it's paid off and the warranty has run out. I want a 305/555 engine, because then I won't need a catalytic converter, which the 6. 0 has.



As far as transmissions go, I'm pretty happy with the TorqShift. Though I never had a problem with my '05 48RE, I did have to get my NV5600 rebuilt on my '01. The '97 was a gasser, and the 46RE crapped out on me, while I was towing with the O/D off. The 47RE/RH wasn't much better for the CTD, when it came to reliability.



Ideally, the perfect truck, IMO, is a Ford body, a CTD and an Allison transmission.



I do like the Dodge body, but the interior leaves much to be desired.



I personally can't wait to get good mileage again with the CTD!!!!

 

[Grizzly]

any one put 7. 3 pwerstroke in a dodge?

What a dumb idea. That's kind of like replacing the CD on your truck with an 8 track tape deck.

 

[DVolk]

powerjoke to dodge

You know the big three would sell more trucks if they followed the big class 8 truck manufatures leads and just sold what ever engine you wanted in your pick up . So how about it Detroit are you watching ?

 

[Grizzly]

You know the big three would sell more trucks if they followed the big class 8 truck manufatures leads and just sold what ever engine you wanted in your pick up . So how about it Detroit are you watching ?

Sounds like a good idea, however can you imagine the cost of each truck manufacture to set up the plant to handle any engine. There's more to just dropping any engine in any truck. There's things like chassis, electrical, TC, transmission, drivelines and other accessories to consider.



It would never be cost effective.

 

[FLynes]

That is a really good idea, DVolk; It would put everyone on an even playing field, which I'm not sure the Big Three would like that; the only thing left for them to make appealing to the customer would be body design and interior.



From what I've read, AutoWorld in MT is the place to go for CTD conversions.

 

[hammersley]

If that were the case---

You know the big three would sell more trucks if they followed the big class 8 truck manufatures leads and just sold what ever engine you wanted in your pick up . So how about it Detroit are you watching ?

There would be almost NO Powerstrokes in a Ford... . except for the ocassional DA Likewise GMC would also be full of Cummins - But remember those trucks were designed for a V-8 and stuffing a long Cummins would not be a simple swap - especially with that sissy IFS on the GM.....

 

[JGamble]

actually toward the end of it's production run, the 7. 3 was also used in gen sets and pumps. v engines have rarely been used in smaller equipment , especially in the last 20 years. v engines are used in apps where absolute power is needed, very large equipment. cost and packageing are not important there, power is. the 7. 3 was intended as a automotive unit from the start, the 5. 9 was to be developed as a multipurpose engine. the 7. 3[444e] has been a computer controlled engine since it's introduction by navistar in 93'. for the most part , computer controlled engines were not needed in the apps you mentioned , this is why you will find 12v engines in stuff all the way to the end of the 90's. as for why the popularity of the cummins engine in those apps, what are the other options? detroit small engines were axed due to emission's, cat primarily keeps their engine's in house, fact is there smallest engine is now produced by perkins. john deere will out source some engines, but not many. international is the same, most their stuff is kept in house. cummins is a global supplier, they have no equipment or trucks to supply engines for, and there is no risk of having a conflict of interest. as for engines in a f650/750, cummins was the exclusive diesel [only] option for a few years, the past 8. 2,3208, ford 6. 6/7. 8 engines were all axed by emissions. when a suitable cat was developed, it was added to the list. also, the 7. 3 didnt find it's way until late in it's produstion. ford had wanted the 7. 3 option for a while, and when ford started being produced on navistar assembly lines, the dt466. [ which they still havent got]as for as chooseing between the cummins and the 7. 3 in a two ton, i dont prefer either . both are too under powered for my needs, all 4 of my current single axle trucks are 466 powered, as well as 1 tandem. both the 7. 3 and 5. 9 are entry level mediums at best.

Which is why CAT is still the strongest running (IMHO) and they never ran a V block if I can remember. Look at detroit, that was V pattern, hmmmm... . Those twin breasted Yamahas leaked like it was funny.

 

[Grizzly]

That is a really good idea, DVolk; It would put everyone on an even playing field, which I'm not sure the Big Three would like that; the only thing left for them to make appealing to the customer would be body design and interior.



From what I've read, AutoWorld in MT is the place to go for CTD conversions.

If this idea were possible, which I do not believe it is, no one in his right mind would select a Powerjoke over a Cummins. Not even the Furd diehards. Then Powerjoke and DumbaMax would go out of business.

 

[therabbittree]

JGamble . cat has made several V style engines . . and still does for big stuff. many of the gen sets / pumps, or marine appications are big V's. . 3408s were used in a tractor trailers and they made big power, although no engine brake was available. . only a hydraulic retarder . . 3208s too and lots of others. . I'm not a fan of them either.

Later,

Deo

 

[whathill]

When you really get serious about using your rig for work, and not a show boat, you better have it all in a row! Want proof, tilt the hoods of any big rigs out there and see how many V8's are out there! Detroit use to have a V8 diesel. Us old drivers used to call them the President's motor! Scream like hell, promise you everything, but gave you s___!

 

[JUeckert]

mack, cat, cummins, detroit, international, mann, duetz and the list goes on, all made v type engines. some of them are duds, some of them are damn fine engines. i can find many inline designed engines that were a p. o. s as well a many v type. originally and still to some extent, the v design was ment to be used where max power output was needed, and a inline design of similar output would not fit. v engine's to this day dominate in many apps', and they last as long as any inline. there are certain apps where one is more suitable then the other. as for the comment on installing a cummins in a chevy being hard to do, or a challenge to fit. i can tell you from experience, it's a pretty simple to do conversion. the ifs on the 4wd, is where you can have the issue's .