8.3 cummins repower

[CAJUNCUMMIN]

Has anyone tried to install a 8. 3 Cummins in a Dodge or is it just too big to fit?

 

[BCFAST]

not sure about measurements, but it's gonna be waaaaaay too heavy!

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97 2500 CC 4x4 3. 54 5spd, Green, #12 plate slid all the way forward, 4inch open exhaust, 235/85 Michelins, RS 9000's, PrimeLoc, Red Tops, TDR cloisonae grill badge!

 

[chrgr446]

5. 9 41"Lx32. 2"Wx30. 4"H 1260#
8. 3 44. 9"Lx35. 8"Wx36. 3"H 1885#
Just may be with some custom front springs, a shoehorn, and a torch!

 

[Sled Puller]

Would a body lift get the firewall away from it, or is the torch a must?
The entire driveline would need to be shortened then.
Weekend BOMB party! LOL

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1997 Cummins Dodge 4x4 Bombed & Amsoiled. Amsoil Premiere Direct Jobber, Member of: NRA Business Alliance, GLTDR, WANTED: Wrecked Dodges.
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[1tuffram]

and while you are at it might as well design a tilt-open front (like the big rigs) so you can get in there to work on the engine. #ad

 

[C-Series-Man]

I am almost finished putting a 6CTAA8. 3 in a Ford F-350 4X4 Ext. Cab. All that remains is putting the sheetmetal back on, exhaust, cooling plumbing, and numerous other little things. It was difficult but not impossible. You simply have to do a lot of planning and fabrication. The torch and shoe horn comment is almost dead on. I would be glad to answer any questions for anybody thinking of attempting the switch.

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95 Ford F-350 4x4 Ext Cab, Cummins 6CTAA 8. 3, Fuller 9 Speed, Big Rig Heart in a Pick-up Truck

 

[JKloppe]

C-series-man A pic of your engine bay would be worth a thousand words, any way you could post a couple of your project?

 

[C-Series-Man]

I am not a big picture taker but I did find a couple. They are pretty old. If you like, I will try and take a couple more recent ones and post them. First you are going to have to tell me how to post pictures on the TDR.
I would like to say chrgr446 is off on the C series engine weights. There is approximatly 300 lbs difference between the B and the C, depending on configuration. I bet there is alot of mis-information out there and it is hard to tell what to believe. Believe it or not the weight was not the biggest hurdle. The transmission was. There are not a whole lot of transmissions that will take the C series' output much less bolt up to it.




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95 Ford F-350 4x4 Ext Cab, Cummins 6CTAA 8. 3, Fuller 9 Speed, Big Rig Heart in a Pick-up Truck

 

[C-Series-Man]

Sorry these pictures are older and don't reflect the progress to date.

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95 Ford F-350 4x4 Ext Cab, Cummins 6CTAA 8. 3, Fuller 9 Speed, Big Rig Heart in a Pick-up Truck



[This message has been edited by C-Series-Man (edited 02-09-2001). ]

 

[FAB]

C-Series Man, interesting project you've got going there! Divorced transfer-case I assume?What's an 8. 3 put out for hp + tq ?

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2001. 5 2500 ETH SLT QC SB 3. 54 Hd 241 Camper, tow,

 

[DieselPuff]

C-Series-Man.

AWESOME!!!!!!THANKS FOR THE PICS.

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2000 Ram 2500 SLT, 2wd Regcab, Driftwood/Agate, 6spd, ETC Diesel. Rickson 19. 5s, Simulators, Michelin 225/70R19. 5 tires, Reunel double break rear bumper, van Aaken CPC, TST Competition PowerMax, RV injectors, HX40-16cm2, 5" exhaust

 

[JB @ C and L Machine]

Way cool !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nice fab work!!!!

 

[C-Series-Man]

Good thinking "FAB". Yes it is going to take a divorced transfer case. I was forced to use a 2 speed transfer case. I did not really want too, I have 9 forward gears ranging from 9. 5:1 up to 0. 73:1 and did not see the need for a 2. 6:1 low range. Oh well, if you do the math, in first gear, low range, 2000 RPM, the truck will going just over a mile an hour. As for the power numbers, Bone stock (you know a guy that is dumb enough to put a C in a pickup is not going to leave it stock) the engine has 325 Hp and 1050 ft*lbs torque. I think that it would be quite easy to increae those numbers 50% and still have a daily driver truck. I should have some more pictures at the end of next week if anybody would like to see them. Feel free to ask any questions you have.

 

[rich m]

... . where fantasies come alive... .

 

[My 6 Eats V8's Old File]

an interesting note on 8. 3 power compaired to the 5. 9. In the highest hp levels of each in the marine forms, 370 and 450 respectively the c series uses less fuel to achieve the 450hp than the 370hp of the b.
Can you say 450 usuable hp all day long.
Great job.

 

[C-Series-Man]

You are correct. The C is a more efficient engine (low BSFC) than the B. I have considered numbers like the soon to be released 480 C series marine engine, but after 400 to 425 hp, all the tires are going to do is spin. My truck is not exactly at dragster, it does not hook up well. I think that I am going to go for dependability over raw power. Kinda like the marine engines have high power numbers, but that is only for a 10% duty cycle.

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95 Ford F-350 4x4 Ext Cab, Cummins 6CTAA 8. 3, Fuller 9 Speed, Big Rig Heart in a Pick-up Truck

 

[Andy Perreault]

C-Series Man, it looks like you didn't need to use a body lift kit, but I'm guessing you will need some kind of hood scoop. Does the motor have an air compressor on it? What diameter exhaust system will you use?
Andy


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[Koa Man]

Man, that engine & trans swap is incredible!! With the torque you are going to get after bombing it a little, you could probably start off in 5th or 6th gear.

 

[C-Series-Man]

You are right about the body lift. I considered it but decided to do a little firewall surgury instead to keep the center of gravity as low as easily possible. I do have an air compressor that I intend on running. I also have the Dodge power steering pump and vaccuum pump combination I want to use. Most accessory drive driven air compressors have the ability to allow other things to be bolted up to the back of them, like hydraulic pumps. I have designed, but not yet made, a shaft that will fit in the back of the air compressor and drive the Dodge PS and vaccuum combo if I remove the gear from the combo. I need the air for the transmission, vaccuum for the brakes, and power steering pump to steer.

The comment about starting off in 5th is correct. On paper, it looks like I will start in 4th and then hop ranges. The Cummins' spec sheet says I should have 440 ft*lbs torque at clutch engagement, stock.

The is no hood scoop needed. I have found one that I like and gives the truck some attitude. It is only 2 inches high. I took great pains to get the engine as low in the chassis as possible. This helped the hood clearance and keep the center of gravity low too.

I am going to run a 4 inch open exhaust system with a Jacob's exhaust retarder for additional braking. I changed the brakes on the truck to 4 piston caliper disc brakes all the way around. You want to always make sure you have more whoa then go!

Anybody ready to try it in a Dodge yet?

[This message has been edited by C-Series-Man (edited 02-11-2001). ]

 

[John Dimartino]

C series-i love your truck!That swap is the ultimate setup. You are using a Dana 60 front axle-right?I didnt know Ford made an excab F350 4x4 in 95-Ive never seen one-was this an F250-converted to solid axle?-and then a 350. That engine is going to sound so mean,I'd love to see it in action-congratulations on a fine project,and excellent fabrication/engineering work. Have you boxed and reinforced the frame all behind and around the engine,so the torque doenst twist in into a pretzel?

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