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Heading to Spokane Friday to install the miracle injectors we been talking about on the other 3rd gen forum. Firm promises of performance have me with new guages, relieved fuel tank for perfect fill and fuel test, loaded with camper and will climb the hill to Yakima out of Ellensburg for EGT test both ways, dyno tomorrow at 11 before and after and fuel test and EGT climb on way home for a 6 hour test both ways. I will let you all know. George
 
actually they are about 1300 for 6, but at least they arent like the rattlestroke injectors at about $450 a piece and then you have to buy 8!
 
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I assume you have your mileage bench mark establised for the truck? If these injectors do what they are said to do, it should be easy to see, especially if the bench mark is established.



I hope this works. ;)
 
OK I have been away for a while. What are these new injectors named and whos got um and how much are they and are they really worth tha $$$. 03 HO HD LWB 6 spd with sixgun and spd loader all the gauges and breathing gear so whats next without going to a different turbo? An inquiring mind wants to know. I like my Banks so Pardon my ignorance guys. Hit me!
 
What other mods have you done to your truck or is this the first?



How many miles do you have on the truck?



What kind of mileage have you been getting so far?



I'm just trying to get a feel for the "before" baseline. I really hope this works as well as been rumored, good luck, we'll all be watching for the results...
 
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geusterman,



Just had to post early... . It's like a wrapped gift that you cant open. Come on, hurry up with the answers!!!!
 
Once again please? Which injectors are we talking about? Are they really a D/C Mopar offered product or should I look for a better opinion for the best injector that is available for my 03 HO? I don't want to buy a new turbo before mine needs replacing kind of like I don't want to spring for a new ATT exhasust manifold until mine cracks. Give me some injector recomendations for more power and better milage without burning a hole in a piston. I had the RV 275s in my last 2001 and I like them and they were worth the price. Now with the 03 HO and the Banks sixgun whats out there? With a six speed I am looking for towing power not a dragster because I can't row that fast. .
 
dont mean to burst anyones bubble but,,, i know a guy who put in the new inj. and is sending them back as he only gained 2mpg. says they make real good power but not the claimed 4-6mpg. with the inj. he's getting 12-13 empty!! 10-11 without. towing a small trailer he's gotten as bad as 6!

owner says he's going to sell the truck becuase he cant afford the fuel.



they are alot of $$ and not every truck is going to be same, if you could get about 4mpg and the extra hp they might be worth it. thats about all we get with the 2nd gen boxes (but for alot less). just passing along the info, good luck keep us posted.
 
badams1 said:
Once again please? Which injectors are we talking about? Are they really a D/C Mopar offered product or should I look for a better opinion for the best injector that is available for my 03 HO? I don't want to buy a new turbo before mine needs replacing kind of like I don't want to spring for a new ATT exhasust manifold until mine cracks. Give me some injector recomendations for more power and better milage without burning a hole in a piston. I had the RV 275s in my last 2001 and I like them and they were worth the price. Now with the 03 HO and the Banks sixgun whats out there? With a six speed I am looking for towing power not a dragster because I can't row that fast. .

This is the original thread https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102229

Jared
 
Summit said:
dont mean to burst anyones bubble but,,, i know a guy who put in the new inj. and is sending them back as he only gained 2mpg. says they make real good power but not the claimed 4-6mpg. with the inj. he's getting 12-13 empty!! 10-11 without. towing a small trailer he's gotten as bad as 6!

owner says he's going to sell the truck becuase he cant afford the fuel.



they are alot of $$ and not every truck is going to be same, if you could get about 4mpg and the extra hp they might be worth it. thats about all we get with the 2nd gen boxes (but for alot less). just passing along the info, good luck keep us posted.

FWIW: When I spoke to the guys selling these injectors some time last month, they told me that the injectors produced 20 mpg. IF you are getting 16mpg, you'll net a 4 mpg increase, 17 mpg yields 3 mpg, etc. 6 mpg was the best they got on a truck that originally got 14 mpg, and 4 was about the average increase; but they were emphatic about NOT adding 4 or 6 mpg to your present fuel mileage.



In no case did their injectors get more than 20 mpg.



Curious what kind of mileage your friend got before the injectors were installed?



In my case I get about 16. 8 mpg, so if it works as advertised (and I hope it does) is a 3. 2 mpg increase worth the cost of the injectors? That of course depends on how long you keep the truck and what happens to the price of fuel.



Regards,

John
 
badams1 said:
Once again please? Which injectors are we talking about?



Injectors built by Diesel Performance Unlimited here in Pasco, WA. 509-546-9996. Last time I stopped by there to check out their headers they mentoned they were selling the injectors through 11 different vendors, but I didn't think to ask which ones.



Vaughn
 
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Well boys, topped off the tank on Friday night and left for Spokane. Ran up the hill to Yakima outside Ellensburg to establish power and egt's with the camper on. Pedal to the floor showed 1250 degrees (new X Monitor) at 3100 rpm and 75 mph in third... transmission downshifted out of OD to make the hill. Stock engine, 3:73's and even put factory tires and wheels on for experiment.



Got to Dishman Dodge at 11 am the next day and Josh and I went across the street to Davis's dyno and put down 260 hp in tow and 270 in the high speed run. They just run through the gears so I have a tow dyno and an OD dyno.



Chad from Diesel Performance Unlimited (Pasco) was there with his fine young son to show Josh the ropes on an injector install and brought his injectors to install. He verified the claims for the injectors which I recounted for verification. His customers get about 20 mpg.



We had a nice (and hot) install at Dishman and I lost all my fears regarding doing this kind of job. Pretty easy once a master shows the ropes and Chad obviously has changed out skads of them. Back across the street for a post-install test which showed 326 in tow and 360 in the high speed run. So a gain of 66 in the tow run and 90 hp in the OD run. Boost was down a little (4 lbs) which may be the intake gasket or hose clamp. The power is there.



Josh was actually in on his day off just to do this which gives you some idea of the Dishman Dodge spirit over there. I bought my truck there as well (Big Bob deal... $1000 under invoice plus rebates) and they are straight shooters.



I refueled (36. 6 gal... I have oversize tank) and headed west. I climbed the hill at the same time and temp as the night before (luck) but my egt's ran past the safety cut-off so I made the run again. I could have shot up that hill in OD so I put it in 3rd (Tow) with the lockup, held 3100rpm and 75 mph with plenty throttle left. I had reset the X Monitor so it would climb to 1500 and showed almost 1350 (pre turbo) at that speed. So there is an EGT issue in the pre-turbo probe site. In OD the temps shot right to the top. I forgot to look at the boost as I was freaking on the egt's. Chad is convinced that the probe should be as close to the back side of the turbo as possible for a good heat mix and to get past flames. He said he has seen as much as 400 degree differences in as little as a half inch location on manifolds (I assume this was different trucks but may not have been). He said his injectors are producing 1000 to 1100 degress at that site. FYI, this shop has some incredible custom diesel vehicles including a 12V roadster that will be at the Spokane show next week and at the drag strip. He and his partner Scott Howell have built lots of diesel projects over the years and raced them.



In making the extra run I strayed off my course but I did do two dynos on the other tankful. My boost was up 3 to 4 pounds coming back west and I attributed that to the wind coming in for the weekend rain storm. Wind and a camper can make a big difference. The overhead was showing less mpg than the way over. I refueled at 36 gallons. I will try a run this weekend down to Portland and back and see how we do. At this point, given the price of the injectors ($2000), I am not very happy, unless my further testing shows a good gain. My truck runs about 11 with camper and 14 empty. I would have bought the injectors WITHOUT a power increase to gain that mileage! Well, maybe a little power :D . In talking with Chad and agreeing that headwinds and campers suck fuel (3 to 4 more pounds of boost coming home) that a little more apples and apples testing is in order.



Yes, it was expensive to do this but the claim is too attractive. It cost me a day or so but I learned to fearlessly replace injectors, found Josh to be a straight arrow who is leaving the invoice open until I make a decision and found a left-hand tow mirror at Dishman to replace the one I shot gopher hunting! A freebie from Josh! So no sweat... all part of this psycho diesel addiction we have.



At this point there are good $1300 injectors out there to do what I have experienced here. I will give it a try this weekend to see if there is a difference in mileage. If it improves I will move the probe. I REALLY want this to work but not to the point of coloring the results. Just want the truth.



I would like to think there is a box coming that will take us all back to the mileage of the 12V or at least the 2004's. SOME 600's are doing well.



Until next week... when I get back from Portland. George
 
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