You know, if you guys can find a dealer with a fleet account, or if he knows someone that has one, that's the best way to go. I ordered my truck Feb. 19, 2010 and received it the 2nd week in April. And none of the dealers could come close to the price that I paid. Mind you, I am technically the 2nd onwer on title, 1st owner is the fleet co. , but to save $12,000 from list it was worth it! My local dealer still services the truck, with no hard feelings "at all", I guess he's hoping I'll give him another chance in a couple of years, or sooner. At that time Ram was only offering a total of $3000 in discounts.