9/11 did we forget ?

[jgillott]

Do the people in NY still share stories about 9-11 like they do here?

 

[Dutch & Di]

We are in an RV park in Williamsburg, VA and on 9/11 the park's flag as well as every flag we saw as we went downtown was at half mast so not everyone forgets the day or to not only fly the American Flag but put it at half mast as a reminder to passerby's. Hugs, Di

 

[Wayne M.]

We are in an RV park in Williamsburg, VA and on 9/11 the park's flag as well as every flag we saw as we went downtown was at half mast so not everyone forgets the day or to not only fly the American Flag but put it at half mast as a reminder to passerby's. Hugs, Di

OOOH DI! Do stop by and see the coppersmiths and wheelwrights! I love it there! And thanks for the mention.

 

[Wayne M.]

Do the people in NY still share stories about 9-11 like they do here?

Oh I'll say. They had the reading of the names on every network and it lasted from 0830 to after 1200. We watched it in our break room at the beginning for break and during our lunch. Most of us in our shop today were either blowing out air filters at ground zero or on the hill at fresh kills or like me in a sattelite shop repairing trucks that ran in/ out of GZ on top of our regular work, So yhea we more than talk about it. It more looks like a VFW post.
Just today I was in the east side of manhattan with my wife preparing for her surgery soon. We walked by a school, and the sidewalk from end to end was chalked by the kids there. It was a tear jerker. The candle is being passed on- no worry about that!

 

[Tractorat]

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I understand. And thanks for the break.

Well, if you think a generalization about the entire country (and an observation not an opinion at that) is about you, then I dont think you do understand.

 

[Wayne M.]

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Well, if you think a generalization about the entire country (and an observation not an opinion at that) is about you, then I dont think you do understand.

No really, I do. But what makes you think you're accurate? do you monitor every local news outlet from here to there? I could probably have done a more accurate generalization of real opinion yesterday when I was standing in times square.

In all this, we haven't mentioned the pentagon strike at all. I just can't believe THAT happened!

 

[Wayne M.]

Closely relevant..... Just stumbled onto this/.

 

[Tractorat]

No really, I do. But what makes you think you're accurate? do you monitor every local news outlet from here to there? I could probably have done a more accurate generalization of real opinion yesterday when I was standing in times square.

No, I dont monitor everything. My generalization was based on what Ive observed around here. But I have heard the same mentioned from the media from time to time.

BTW, once again. Times Square (in NY). Hardly the rest of the country. You are like the blind man who touched the elephants trunk and thought an elephant was a rope.

 

[Wayne M.]

I'm not going round n round on this, but I'll bet lunch that if you stop 10 people in Times Square vs any other place in the world, except maybe the Vatican, you won't get a better variety of answers on any topic. Heck, I marvel at the variety of tourists I've casually spoken to on the Staten Island ferry.

 

[Wayne M.]

I just got back from Church. There was a rememberance poster for the families of those lost on 9/11. In my parish alone, which is large, there were 28 souls lost. One was a schoolmate.

 

[Tractorat]

Wayne,
Although those people are from around the world, those are people who came to visit Times Square. BTW, of course it has not been totally forgotten by anyone. My point is that in places other than NY it is not on peoples minds the way it should be. It is still on my mind no less than it is on yours even though I dont live in NY.

BTW, there are of course rememberences everywhere. But not reflected in the average neighborhood like it was, like it still should be. Maybe its just my opinion. But I believe it should be reflected in every neighborhood in every town/city etc in the US, maybe the world until the terrorists have been vanquished. (BTW, the threat is MUCH worse today than it wasin 2001.

 

[Wayne M.]

I will agree that the threat is there. The attitude sure is. I'm trying to find out the status of the mosque trying to open down the block from WTC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park51

 

[JR]

I live just north of a small community of approximately 5000 people. Every year the week of Memorial Day and Independence Day they hang an American Flag on every single light pole on the main road coming into town. They also do it every year the week of 9/11. It's a small tribute but is really inspiring to drive underneath a sea of flags every time I come into town. I often reflect on all the great things we have in this country that so many take for granted.

We have not forgotten.

 

[JR]

Closely relevant..... Just stumbled onto this/.

We briefly talked about this on Friday. As a group of crane operators, when a crane incident makes the news we are all more interested than most. I've seen the effects of lightening on a few different cranes but I've never seen/heard of one being toppled over by a strike. It looks like the operator left the crane with a high boom angle and it went over backwards but it would take some crazy high wind speeds to accomplish that. I'd be really interested in seeing an incident investigation but I doubt they will do one considering the location.

Another view of the crane that toppled.

I saw this morning that the cranes were leased out by the Bin Laden families construction company, the coincidence is almost eerie.

EDIT: I just fully read the report you linked and they are contributing wind to the accident. That's much more believable than the other reports of lightening striking it, but it would still take some REALLY high winds!

 

[Wayne M.]

Good to hear, JR. I get that warm fuzzy feeling with that "keeping it real" stuff in town.
Also, that crane incident is linked to a huge rainbow that was witnessed coming out of the freedom tower (same spot as ground zero). But I don't know the time frame between the two. The story I saw made you believe it was simultaneous.
http://m.snopes.com/2015/09/11/freedom-tower-rainbow/

 

[Tractorat]

It looks like the operator left the crane with a high boom angle and it went over backwards but it would take some crazy high wind speeds to accomplish that. I'd be really interested in seeing an incident investigation but I doubt they will do one considering the location.

Maybe 25 or 30 years ago we had a similar accident in seattle. The crane went over backwards. What had happened was a crew was "jumping" the crane up higher as the building they were constructing was getting higher. The guy on the ground that was controlling the event gave some commands out of sequence. The counterweight was in the wrong position so when the operator moved the boom, it tipped over backwards. He rode the crane all 25 stories to the street and survived (luckily he was wearing his seat belt :-laf) He said all he could think of while he crashed to the street was (gee, the wind sure is whisleing thru here).

 

[JR]

That is a beautiful picture of the WTC with the double rainbow.

 

[Tractorat]

I live just north of a small community of approximately 5000 people. Every year the week of Memorial Day and Independence Day they hang an American Flag on every single light pole on the main road coming into town. They also do it every year the week of 9/11. It's a small tribute but is really inspiring to drive underneath a sea of flags every time I come into town. I often reflect on all the great things we have in this country that so many take for granted.

We have not forgotte

And yet another good reason and benefit to live in or near a small town.

 

[JR]

Maybe 25 or 30 years ago we had a similar accident in seattle. The crane went over backwards. What had happened was a crew was "jumping" the crane up higher as the building they were constructing was getting higher. The guy on the ground that was controlling the event gave some commands out of sequence. The counterweight was in the wrong position so when the operator moved the boom, it tipped over backwards. He rode the crane all 25 stories to the street and survived (luckily he was wearing his seat belt :-laf) He said all he could think of while he crashed to the street was (gee, the wind sure is whisleing thru here).

And that is all it takes when dealing with large cranes. Almost all incidents occur because the operator becomes complacent with his job. Very few mechanical/structural failures (that aren't brought on by human error). It is a position of high risk/low reward.

Come to think of it, the only people that truly appreciate a good operator are the ones on the other end of the hook :-laf

 

[Tractorat]

I have to correct the story. Its been a long time since that incident and my memory faded for a moment. The problem was the crew up on the crane just under the house had removed the bolts in anticipation of jumping the crane. So when the "boss" told the operator to move the counterweight, the crane came down. The operator did realize the mistake at the last minute, but it was too late to correct.