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Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) 99 auto transmission on the way out?

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So BK's auto transmission .......

  • Is another dead slush box, start saving for a new one and don't bother driving it.

    Votes: 1 10.0%
  • On it's way out, don't venture far from home, but can make it last a year or 2 by.....

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Just needs a band adj and fluid / filter change.

    Votes: 7 70.0%
  • Has another issue that can be fixed.

    Votes: 2 20.0%

  • Total voters
    10
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BK

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Looking for some help, input, direction please... ...



Right now too cold to get on the ground and under the truck to do a basic auto transmission fluid change and drop the pan. That would be the 1st place I would start to see if there's lots of big parts in the pan or see if a basic fluid change would help.



So it sits.

And figured I could come and get some help and input from the best forum for it.



I have a 99 Quadcab with the auto 4x4.

33x12's since 25kmiles. no lift.

About 75K miles on it.

Most towing camping trailer, offroad, and around town mileage...

Been about 30k since it's last transmission fluid change.

Hi-tech transmission pan.

transmission running with temp sensor in hi-tech pan at about 150 lots of around town driving / lots of stop and go. Seems it's as it's always been.

Fluid is a bit dark, but still pinkish and smells sweat, not burnt.



It started about 6 months ago with it giving me a small amount of "bucking" , I gueess more like hunting you could feel between 1 and 2 when it was "trying to decide to shift" if I was too light on the pedal.



Could hear it in the engine rpm too.



A little more go peddle pressure it would go to 2nd, a little less pressure it would stay in 1st and stop hunting.



This happens as I would slowly cruise out of my block or through a parking lot or between all the stop signs every block



When on the road, if keeping with normal traffic flow between lights it was fine, felt normal.



Just started a couple of weeks ago with not wanting to shift out of 1st if there was just a little too much go peddle pressure.

(transmission would be doing it's hunting thing between 1-2, so press the go peddle a little more and instead of shifting, it whines out in 1st and just keeps going in 1st).



There is sweet spot, not too slow, not too fast, and it'll "slip" it's way into 2nd. Can't feel it to easily, it's really mushy shift, more like a slide.



But gotta find that sweat spot to make it shift into 2nd. Can do it by letting it "whine" out in 1st, getting of the peddle, rpm's come down, slowly go back into the peddle, and it takes 2nd without any sort of authority, just sort of falls into it.



IF too easy, it does it's bucking/hunting thing between 1 and 2.



Now if just too much on the go peddle or you accelerate off the line, it just whines out in 1st for ever, and have to get off the peddle to get it to go into 2nd.



1st feels find off the line, don't feel it slipping, but as it winds out, there's nothing there to contribute to forward momentum after 2krpms. It feels as if its slipping between 2k and 3. 6K rpms.



2-3 , 3-OD and lockup still feel normal and strong and the truck pulls well and wants to keep going.



Reverse feels normal.

Normal reverse now being for a few good years, if it sat around, and cold, it felt like it was subjected to the drain back problem, the old chyrsler, wait for the pressure to build and reverse will come back (too a 1-2 seconds). Still does that, very consistant problem when cold and sitting for a couple of days.



I have no experience inside a slush box...



Am I just badly in need of a fluid change and 1band adjustment?

(I have a shop I trust, with it being soo cold, I'll bring it to them)



Or am I looking at the end of the transmission's life and don't stray too far from home?



Or something else?





IF it's the transmission getting ready to leave us, then we'll get into that enevitble question... .





I posted a poll just so if you see all good input and don't want to pile on and reply, but can please just let me know your input anyway by posting on the poll... .



TIA for the input and guidance.....
 
BK,



If the bands have never been adjusted, I'd definitely start with that because the front band is involved in applying 2nd gear and it's easy to take care of. The adjustment screw is accessible on the outside of the transmission (driver's side). See the factory service manual or search these forums for the adjustment procedure.



Next I would consider replacing the transmission output shaft speed sensor located on the tail housing of the transmission. It's inexpensive, available at just about any auto parts store, and a simple 5 minute job to replace. It's used by the PCM to determine shift points (along with other inputs).



If that doesn't fix the problem, next I'd consider replacing the transmission governor pressure sensor and governor pressure solenoid. Replacing these items will require you to drop the pan, so you'll want to change the fluid, filter, and adjust the rear band while you're at it.



Good luck and let us know things work out.



John L.
 
Thanks for the help John.

The bands have never been adjusted.

I have the FSM, read about the band ajustment, but didn't feel comfortable with it.
I don't have much finesse, I do better work with the BFH. So never did it.
I also live with torque wrenches since I can never feel when tight is tight enough... .
just a little more - oopps, another broken bolt.

A couple of Q's if you don't mind, since I don't know any better...

Would the output shaft speed sensor only show problems with the 1st gear issue, or others I should look for to clue me into it being the issue?

Same Q for the other two ( governor pressure sensor and solenoid)... .

I actually feel more at home dropping the pan and replacing those two items them doing the band adjustment.

At worst between the cold weather and my worries of me with the band adjustment
I make a call into the shop I trust to get a transmission fluid swap done and band adjustment.
 
Too bad you're not in Oregon. I'd help you do it. It's pretty easy but you need an inch pound torque wrench set at 72 inch pounds for the tightning adjustment on the small center bolt after backing off the locknut around it about four or five turns. Then it's a matter holding it still and tightening the 19 MM locknut around it. Good luck, Herb
 
The truck has been sidelined since the night before this post.

just dropped it off at a transmission shop recommended by the garage I normally use if I can't get to something, or it's just too much for me.

The guys in garage I trust fully been bring work to them for 25 years and they have always proven themselves to be very straight. Only once in my life have I come across a transmission shop I trust and they aren't around any longer... ... ... .


When I dropped it off at the transmission shop this morning , their input is , yup could just be a band adjustment, so long as it was caught it in time, left too long and the band can delaminate.

I hate that sort of talk... but of course they don't know till they get in there and take a peak and if they just talk all roses, and come up with cow pies, then it looks even worse for them. I understand that.

I guess if I come out of this with just a band adjustment and their seal of approval, then I'll think the world of them.

And if they call with "bad band", and need a rebuild, I'll always wonder.
 
Do a search on here for auto transmission, Dtt, Goerend , Exc. Call them and find one with a builder in your area.
If the shop calls you with bad news, tell them to button it up and get it to a builder that fixes these transmissions.
I would doubt the transmission is toast with only 75k on the clock, mine is over 256k on original and still ticking.
Good luck
 
well we dropped the pan today and found parts of the band laying in the pan... ...
 
Tnx, so I've been told today by a few others.

I haven't found any local DTT installers.

So I'm staying with this one that was highly recommended by the garage owners I know very well. They basically walked through the door with me with an intro.

It was pulled last night, and gutted today.
Found one drum , the band (w/o it's liner) ate into the drum.

They've built a few dozen other dodge diesel trannys (Besides lots of gasser trannies) for my owners of the garage I know.
The transmission shop has a routine set up for 3 stages of what they offer for the CTDram.

stock rebuild stock TC, ($2200)

better than stock rebuild with slightly better tc ($2500),

street / towing power rebuild with modified valve body and billet TC/no plastic parts all bearings/oven brazed yadayadayada -- all the same stuff I've read about the other TC's. (lets not get into that war, boy were there some hot threads from that years ago)
($3000)

Out the door $s done, 12/12000


Both the friends/owners of the garage, and the builder told me the same thing... not the 1st one, just a bit earlier.
I contributed to it by not keeping up with the band adjustments and heavy foot.

I think I always expected the TC to go 1st from the earlier horror stories and my heavy foot when towing through stop and go, NY upstate and PA.

So I went with the top stage, billet TC, with all bearings and built for more power, better lock up, no plastic parts, all bearings, yada yada yada.
All new guts, and new electronics...

There goes the tax refund.

A few sayings come to mind... ...

Pay me now or pay me later...

Easy come, easy go... .

It's only money... ...

WTF... ...

Just didn't plan on doing it this soon... .

Thankfully I wasn't on the road like I was when the VP44 went bye-bye.
 
well got it back with an improved VB, and billet TC with improved lock up and lower stall.

Nice difference, don't feel all that wasted torque with the stock TC, use to feel like the turbo kicked in when you hit lock up, now it's just there, all the time.

Almost a month on it now, and it's going strong and on the high way a very noticeable improvement in fuel mileage, and somewhat noticeable around town.
Been ages since I got over 200 miles on a 1/2 tank. Hit nearly 240, before lucky to get over 150-190.
 
Almost a month on it now, and it's going strong and on the high way a very noticeable improvement in fuel mileage, and somewhat noticeable around town.
Glad your situation had a happy ending (not counting the $$$ you paid).



John L.
 
tnx, me too, lighter in the pocket, but at least it happened while at home, not half way across the country like when the VP44 decided to go bye-bye on 2008.

Looking at the crate / bought transmission's for DYI, built the same way with comparable TC, the online advertised prices are a about 300-400 less then what this job cost me.
But my work schedule wouldn't allow for a weekend project right now, and I don't have all the tools and knowledge to get this transmission set up right.
Not like dumping in an old 727 or C6 in the old days, as I under stand it...

I figured the way I drove it and used it, it would need a transmission at around 100k.
Just happened sooner. .

With it having it's known weak points, it always was in the back of my mind to build it while it was still good, so as not to have it do what the vp44 did to me.

And I found a good shop as well. It's far from the 1st dodge powered Cummins transmission they've done (which is what my buddies told me, and the 1st gent I spoke to, which was one of the two owners).

I spoke with the builder (happens to be the other of the two owners of the transmission shop) after-wards when I dropped in to tell them all is well and I'm happy with it. I got a good ear full (nicely) of all the dodge transmission's for the oil burners he's built and set up, and he's a diesel owner and lover too. So all ends well.

Easy come , easy go..... it's only money - LOL .....

Just finished doing the alternator on it the night before last, lost it some time over the weekend.....
 
i have a 99 dodge 2500 and would like to avoid the above story. it has 90,000 miles on it. ive changed transmission fluid in it a few times and have the luxury of doing so from a "pit" but ive never adjusted the bands... ... ... i have a dodge service manual and have not found the band adjustment procedure in it (was disappointed by the omission or its hiding)... ... . is there a definitive place to find this information? with pictures etc? id appreciate the information... ... ... transmission shifts and works very well by the way. just want to stay ahead of the game service wise
 
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It is in the FSM... .
chapter 21 pages 340 and 341 .

From being on this forum since 99, I learned one thing...
The failure of the auto in these years, behind the mighty cummins is common.
It's just when.....
Live in a high stop and go / hilly area, sooner than later. .
Live in the midwest, lots of highway and flat, later rather than sooner...
 
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