A Call To All Tdr Brothers

[RGRAT1618]

I have a loud mouth New Yorker at my work that says a Chevy truck with a 454 will out due any diesel engine. That there is nothing good about those smelly oily engines and that is not worth the extra money I paid for it. He said I would have to drive 100,000 miles a year to make up for the extra cost and there is very little horsepower and torque change. I ask him to hook up a trailer with the same amount of weight and come climb the summit here in Pa and see who makes it to the top first. I even ask him to hook axles with me. His answer was that it would not prove anything. He wants hard proof number on paper. So if anyone can help me put this to rest, please help. Thanks as always.



Rob

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

Try this one on him. . A little 'Chip' and a set of injectors...

377 hp and 891 ftlbs.



I put the new turbo on after that.



http://communities.msn.com/MarksBigRAM/dynotime.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=26



http://communities.msn.com/MarksBigRAM/dynotime.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=25



here's the ssame truck. . stock weighing 20,780 lbs. Pulled it through the hills of AK and eastern OK like that.



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[KatDiesel]

What kinda proof you want? Not sure if your talking bout modified trucks or stock to stock... ...



dyno numbers? 1/4 mile E/T's? MPG?



With my KwikSpool turbo at 6000+ lb 1/4 mile is 13. 44 @ 99. 73mph, I haven't had a chance to run the B1 turbo yet.



With my smaller PDR HX35 it dynos at 445 to 450hp.



I get 15mpg... foot to the floor alot.

 

[RGRAT1618]

Mostly numbers of stock trucks. But any will help. stock or not stock.



rob

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

my dyno sheet show. . stock. . stock+PEC, stock+injectors, stock+injectors+PEC.



And I make at least 60hp more now :-laf:-laf

 

[Diesel Freak]

I do not think this guy will be satisfied with just paper... . I think he needs to "SEE" what these trucks can do... . if he will not hook a trailer to his truck and prove that his truck can beat a stock CTD, then this is a waste of your time.



If I were on the east coast, I would love to have this guy put his money where his mouth is, but it sounds like he is just Chicken I TRIED TO BY-PASS THE CUSSING FILTER... ... . has he done anything to his big block? If it is a stock '88 and later truck, then it is only good for 230 HP... the later 454SS pickups were up to 255 HP... if he has done anything like add a Paxton to the engine, then you may have trouble... ... . I think the guy is just mouthing off, and there is no way to shut him up, unless you find a BOMBed truck and beat him like a Red Headed Step Child.



If he wants an Idea what these engines can do on the dyno, print out the dyno reports that I have posted here



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36108



but I doubt this will shut him up.

 

[Skunk]

I think that would be a Red Headed Step Child - With Braces

 

[Diesel Freak]

if his truck has been modified... I would be careful..... a stock GM 502 Crate motor is good for 450 HP, and the HO 502, is over 500HP, but those are easy to identify... ... nice lopey idle, and carberated... if he has a 502 with EFI, he will mosty likely spank you.

 

[RGRAT1618]

his truck is a new 2001 chevy ext cab swb. no mods



rob

 

[Fireman Dave]

Originally posted by RGRAT1618

He said I would have to drive 100,000 miles a year to make up for the extra cost and there is very little horsepower and torque change.

Rob

Well, he's way off base on that comment. You wouldn't have to drive it 100,000 miles per year to make up for the extra cost. You only need to drive it 100,000 miles total to make up for (and probably exceed) the difference - and we all know that a Cummins is just broken in at 100k. His gasser will be long gone as your Cummins is rolling over 300,000 miles.



I estimate that I get around 2x the mileage of a V-10 (or a 454). If diesel and gas are roughly equal in price (on average), then here are the numbers to show how you come out ahead.



At an average of 20 mpg, you'll use 5,000 gallons of fuel to get to 100,000 miles. Mr. gasser will probably use 10,000 gallons of gas to go that far. At an average of $1. 20 per gallon for each (and that's a low price), the difference is $6,000. The Cummins is less than a $5,000. option. And the higher the fuel/gas prices, the higher the difference. I still get such a kick out of getting 20 mpg in a 7,300 lb truck.



Of course, you know all the other benefits - not the least of which is that diesels are just cool. Another thing - ask Mr. Gasser how his 454 does on a 95 degree day towing a 6k trailer up a mountain. Any pinging? Any overheating? Hmm... not with the smelly, oily engine. How does it do on the hills? And how's the resale value on a 454?



Chances are this guy can't be convinced no matter what. At least you know you made the right choice. I still shudder to think that at one point I wasn't sure if I should get the Cummins or V-10 in my Ram. After I educated myself on the Cummins, it was such a no-brainer. Oo.

 

[HillCountrykid]

It all depends on the year of the truck. The older throttle body injection version would probably loose to a stock 24V. That's if both trucks are empty and weigh the same. A newer vortec 454 would probably beat a stock Cummins empty. Put wieght behind them and I'm not sure, but the Cummins will probably win. But if he talking about modified engines, then it's a totally different story. Alot of guys around here are past or close to 800 lb/ft of torque. To get this in a gas motor, you're going to get really crappy gas mileage and redce the life of the motor considerably.



Brian



Edit: I see it's a vortec. Takes me a while to type and had to leave the computer a few times.

 

[Jetpilot]

Rob,



I live in mid-state PA and would love to lock horns with your loud mouthed New Yorker... . I will be coming through your way for Muncie or if the price is right I could be there this month. Ask him what its worth for him to see one of these stinky lil ol six cylinders shine.



Doug

 

[Diesel Freak]

If I am not mistaken, GM did not even offer the 454 in 2001..... it was replaced by the 8. 1. your Buddy may not even know what engine he has... . is it the 7. 4/454, 6. 0/400, or the 8. 1... I think your buddy is clueless.

 

[tgbol]

I had a '79 Chevy 3/4 ton with a bombed 454-- 390 hp 500 ft#--

towing a 6000# trailer to Bonneville from So Cal it would get a 8. 5mgp I could get 10 out of it around town. Jump to 2001, I towed a 6000# trailer to Bonneville last summer over the the exact same route. At the time I was Stock except for the turbo ring missing. The average mileage for the trip of 1800 miles was 15. 8 mpg. And it was a lot more comfortable on the hills.

 

[RCrawford]

I've got this guy where I work who has a '95 Chevy,1/2 ton,350,auto. 4x4, that was downing me one day. When I got tired of the lip, I said "Lets hook'em bumper to bumper and see who goes where". He asked me what mine weighed,I told him, he said "let him add enough weight to be equal to mine and we would go for it". When I, as well as several others around, could catch our breath form laughing so hard, I told him to "load her up and give me a call when he is ready". I haven't gotten ANY more lip from him. I was looking foreward to the little challenge. Oo. :-laf :-laf :-laf

 

[Sled Puller]

Our term is Red Headed Step Child with a Lisp. No offense anyone.





I'm 60 minutes North of Pittsburgh

Give me a place.



The hottest PSD in the country is in McMurray.



Hammer is just east a few Hours.



Andy and Doug of Smokin Diesel are just east of Pitts.



Ain't no daily driver/trailer toater Chevy gasser can run with any of the above Diesels.

 

[JMichelson]

Diesel Envy Very Sad

You will never silence a big mouth, big block gasser owner. I know, I used to be one. I liked the power of my 460 Ford. It towed nice, it got down the road great at 11mpg. empty and 6 to 7 mpg towing my trailer. When I went up a steep grade towing my trailer on a hot day it even rattled like a diesel. Big block power is hard to beat, there is no replacement for displacement…. . except a Cummins Turbo Diesel. Your friend has a bad case of diesel envy and until he sees the error of his ways like I did, just grin like you do every time you drive your truck. Also if you agree with him it will eventually drive him to diesel.

Good Luck. Jeff

 

[HC]

Are you happy with your truck?



Tell him his dog is ugly, and let it go at that. He doesn't have to prove anything about his dog to you, and you don't have to prove anything about your truck to him.

 

[fj40charles]

I think you should just get a different friend. He sounds very ignorant and closed minded and you'll never convince him that a diesel is better for towing. I won't have discussions with stupid people like him because I've got better things to do than to waste my time.



Charles

 

[Mojo293]

I also used to be part of the 'What do I need a diesel for ' crowd. Then one night driving back from a tractor pull my friend got tired. He said, take over. Well that forever changed my life and that was a '96 PSD. The way it handled that trailer with the tractor on it made me think. My next purchase was the best I ever made. The CTD is a quality piece of work and does more per dollar than any big block. By the time you factor in mileage, upkeep, and RESALE VALUE, your ahead of the game. Tell your buddy to look at the Blue Book resale of his truck with a diesel. He might just see the error of his ways. Or there's always plan B(Cummins B that is)----BLOW HIS DOORS OFF Oo.