A new low mileage for oil change light to come on....3231 miles...On full rotella syn

[rrnut-2]

It has reportedly been caused by the regen process in pickup versions of the ISB6. 7 engine. I think early ECM software reflashes improved if not eliminated the problem but a duty cycle consisting of frequent light load, short trips may subject even the Gen IV trucks to some degree of fuel contamination of crankcase and sooting.

To add to this, I have found that if I keep the rpm's up above 1500, not as many regen's happen. My wife will lug the engine, sure it has plenty of torque, but that makes soot. Hence more regen's, more unburned fuel goes by the rings into the oil. The commute for both of us is a 40mph road. She will run it in 6th. I run it in 5th in order to keep the rpm's up.

Thank you Harvey, I didn't know that about the VW's. Sounds like my '06 Goldwing and Mother Honda's arrogance. Read poor engineing on the bike and refusual to acknowlegde serious design problems.

Jim B
KB1TOW

 

[HBarlow]

I apologize to the op. We're stealing his thread.

Jim, I'm surprised by your comments about your Goldwing. What problems have you had?

Mine, a 2010, has been perfect except for an air bubble in the complicated anti-dive braking secondary master cylinder when it was delivered to me. Bleeding the brakes finally cleared it and my brakes are outstanding. I put 56,000 miles on my Goldwing in less than 18 months, have had zero problems with it, and love it. I've ridden it all over the US except NV so far and two Canadian provinces, Quebec and Ontario. Two surgeries and a bad case of flu have slowed me down considerably and caused me to lose six months of riding but I'm making plans for another trip soon.

 

[sbattle]

My first oil change light came on at 2100 miles. Now it came on again 1,755 miles since my last oil change. I'm not paying for this one. The dealer can figure out whats wrong while they change the oil for free.

 

[Bob4x4]

My first oil change light came on at 2100 miles. Now it came on again 1,755 miles since my last oil change. I'm not paying for this one. The dealer can figure out whats wrong while they change the oil for free.

Good luck with that..... Lol

 

[Bob4x4]

To add to this, I have found that if I keep the rpm's up above 1500, not as many regen's happen. My wife will lug the engine, sure it has plenty of torque, but that makes soot. Hence more regen's, more unburned fuel goes by the rings into the oil. The commute for both of us is a 40mph road. She will run it in 6th. I run it in 5th in order to keep the rpm's up.

Thank you Harvey, I didn't know that about the VW's. Sounds like my '06 Goldwing and Mother Honda's arrogance. Read poor engineing on the bike and refusual to acknowlegde serious design problems.

Jim B
KB1TOW

My experience with the 6. 7 says they are cleanest around 1900rpm and contrary to a lot of postings you do not have to drive it like you stole it. On the flip side of that the guy that *****foots around trying to get the hyper mileage won't stay clean

 

[Bug Out]

Harvey, I don't mind. Interesting that a lot of folks have the same issue and driveway statues...

 

[sbattle]

Good luck with that..... Lol

Thanks I'll need all the luck I can get. I'm actually thinking it might be a fluke because I was sitting in the truck for a few minutes with the key on ACC when the "oil change due" came on the screen. I haven't pulled anything since last oil change but I hauled a couple heavy loads, and have several 2hr + trips at 70+ mph. I'll be towing/hauling 7K from Seattle to Florida... . and I really don't hope I won't have to stop half way there for another pesky oil change.

 

[JHumphries]

If there is little-to-no unloaded miles before the trip, you should get there fine with no oil change.
When the 6. 7 trucks are loaded the EGT stays higher resulting in no need to spray for regen, therefore less calculated and actual fuel dilution.
Also, I beleive the majority of EGR is during cold engine operations, which will really only happen to you once maybe twice a day and it won't last long.
Less EGR means less soot which results in less regens.

 

[Bug Out]

How is everybody know when its in re-gen???? I never notice any idle change, major mileage drop etc... .

 

[RonD]

You maybe have the wrong truck for what you use it for

My first oil change light came on at 2100 miles. Now it came on again 1,755 miles since my last oil change. I'm not paying for this one. The dealer can figure out whats wrong while they change the oil for free.

 

[sbattle]

You maybe have the wrong truck for what you use it for

Bought the truck for pulling the travel trailer I will be buying in a couple months after I move to Florida. My 04 RAM 1500 4. 7L V8 magnum wouldn't have been up to the task. I wanted a diesel truck that wouldn't have any trouble towing. This truck is it for sure, its just going to be another couple months before it starts getting used the way I intended. I'll be traveling the Southeast Region quite a bit all year for the next few years.

 

[sbattle]

How is everybody know when its in re-gen???? I never notice any idle change, major mileage drop etc... .

NO idea I cant tell either except that sometimes when I get out it smells like its been burning "particulates. "

 

[HBarlow]

How is everybody know when its in re-gen???? I never notice any idle change, major mileage drop etc... .

Dodge did not provide any indication to tell the driver when the engine is in regen mode. Many of us have either ordinary analog gauges (Dipricol for me) or a fancy electronic black box with a digital readout. Either will show an increased egt when in regen mode.

I don't know about the pickup versions but in my C&C truck I can detect a different exhaust note at idle and a very slight, almost indistinguishable increased tip-in throttle response off idle. I might have never noticed either but a glance at the pyro gauge confirms regen because of higher egt.

 

[rrnut-2]

I apologize to the op. We're stealing his thread.



Jim, I'm surprised by your comments about your Goldwing. What problems have you had?



Mine, a 2010, has been perfect except for an air bubble in the complicated anti-dive braking secondary master cylinder when it was delivered to me. Bleeding the brakes finally cleared it and my brakes are outstanding. I put 56,000 miles on my Goldwing in less than 18 months, have had zero problems with it, and love it. I've ridden it all over the US except NV so far and two Canadian provinces, Quebec and Ontario. Two surgeries and a bad case of flu have slowed me down considerably and caused me to lose six months of riding but I'm making plans for another trip soon.

Harvey,



The transmission on mine jumps out of 5th gear at freeway speeds and then will jump right back in. Its very scarey! Rider magazine did an article on the goldwing about 6 months ago, and it said that some bikes do this in 3rd gear some in 5th and some means about half of the bikes built. Honda's response? We don't know how to shift our bikes properly. There are other things, like the $600 POS CB, and its location where it can get wet, as mine did. My next bike is probaly going to be the 6cyl BMW touring bike.



Oh yea, my transmission scares me so much of destruction, that I 20k on the odometer and its 6 years old. The 1500 I had was a great bike.



Jim B

 

[wyosteve]

Bug Out, the way I've noticed mine go into regen is to have the 'menu' turned on to 'fuel economy' at the bottom of that screen is a sliding scale/bar which shows 'instant fuel mileage'. That bar drops below 10 mpg when it goes into regen even if just coasting. Hope it helps. However, the darn thing would drive me nuts watching it so now I just turn the menu off and only look at the fuel economy screen when I fill up and reset it.

 

[Bug Out]

I start seeing less then 10MPG empty, I'm gonna park it in the selling dealers showroom via the plate glass window... ... JK of course... ... .

 

[jgillott]

I start seeing less then 10MPG empty, I'm gonna park it in the selling dealers showroom via the plate glass window... ... JK of course... ... .

Someone did that at a Dodge dealer near Pittsburgh last year. I think it was a 1/2 ton though... ... .

http://chartiersvalley.patch.com/ar...mer-crashes-truck-through-dealership-showroom

 

[Bug Out]

I could probably make it all the way to the finance office via the front glass giving its weight... LOL

 

[jgillott]

I could probably make it all the way to the finance office via the front glass giving its weight... LOL

You're just not right... ... :-laf

 

[HBarlow]

Harvey,

The transmission on mine jumps out of 5th gear at freeway speeds and then will jump right back in. Its very scarey! Rider magazine did an article on the goldwing about 6 months ago, and it said that some bikes do this in 3rd gear some in 5th and some means about half of the bikes built. Honda's response? We don't know how to shift our bikes properly. There are other things, like the $600 POS CB, and its location where it can get wet, as mine did. My next bike is probaly going to be the 6cyl BMW touring bike.

Oh yea, my transmission scares me so much of destruction, that I 20k on the odometer and its 6 years old. The 1500 I had was a great bike.

Jim B

I've read a couple of similar complaints from members on the GL1800Rider forum. As far as I could tell no one ever determined the cause or a solution other than a rebuild or replacement. One member, who may have been trolling for repair jobs, has written about undercutting the transmission gears. I have no idea if that does anything more than transfer dollars from someone else to him but it sounded good.

I can understand your frustration if that is happening. My Goldwing has been an absolute joy to own and ride.

I admire BMWs but would worry about buying a very high performance, finicky, and high maintenance machine with a BMW 1600. The closest BMW dealers to me are, I think, DFW, San Antonio, or Albuquerque. I wouldn't dream of owning one and facing riding or hauling it 400 or 500 miles each way to the closest dealer. I would recommend selling yours and buying another Wing. Yeah, I know, you're probably a little bitter about the one you have but very few report problems like you've had with yours. A rider had a new BMW 1600 parked at the curb (in front of an ice cream parlor) across the street from the locks in Sault Ste. Marie last July when I was there. I walked around it and admired it for awhile but IMO it is too complex, too expensive to maintain, and not as comfortable as the Wing from reports I've read.