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Armed deputy ‘never went in’
HIGH-SCHOOL MASSACRE
Officer who hid outside as shooter raged resigns after being suspended
By ALAN BLINDER AND PATRICIA MAZZEI
The New York Times
MIKE STOCKER / SOUTH FLORIDA SUN SENTINEL
Students evacuate Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on Feb. 14, after the mass shooting that left 17 people dead.
Scott Israel, Broward County sheriff
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — The only armed sheriff’s deputy at a Florida high school where 17 people were killed took cover outside rather than charging into the building when the massacre began, the Broward County sheriff said Thursday.
The sheriff also acknowledged that his office received 23 calls related to the suspect going back a decade, including one last year that said he was collecting knives and guns, but may not have been adequately followed up.
The deputy, Scot Peterson, resigned Thursday after being suspended without pay after Sheriff Scott Israel reviewed surveillance video. “He never went in,” Israel said in a news conference. He said the video showed Peterson doing “nothing.”
“There are no words,” said Israel, who described himself as “devastated, sick to my stomach.”
Two other deputies, Edward Eason and Guntis Treijs, were placed on leave Thursday over the mishandling of tips called in to the sheriff’s office over the past two years warning that the suspect, Nikolas Cruz, 19, appeared intent on becoming a school shooter, Israel said.
The revelations added to a growing list of failures and missed signs by authorities that might have helped prevent one of the deadliest school shootings in U.S. history.
The FBI received a tip last month from someone close to Cruz that he owned a gun and had talked of committing a school shooting, the bureau revealed last week, acknowledging it had failed to investigate. The tip about Cruz appeared to be the second in four months, after another person told the bureau about an online comment apparently posted by Cruz that he wanted to become “a professional school shooter.”
The Florida Department of Children and Families, the state social-services agency, looked into Cruz’s well-being in 2016 after he posted on social media that he was cutting himself, but investigators determined he was not at risk of harming himself or others. The Broward County Public Schools had disciplinary complaints on Cruz dating back to when he was in middle school, including a long history of fighting.
Peterson is also mentioned as part of a 2016 social-services agency investigation into Cruz. According to a Florida Department of Children and Families report detailing that investigation, Peterson was approached by investigators and “refused to share any information ... regarding [an] incident that took place with” the teenager.
Israel said he informed Peterson on Thursday that he was being suspended without pay and placed under internal investigation. At 12:37 p.m. on Thursday, sheriff’s office records show, Peterson, 66, signed his retirement papers, which amounted to a resignation. He had been with the office for more than 32 years.
“The investigation will continue,” Israel said.
The surveillance video, which was not released, showed Peterson remained outside the west side of the building for at least four minutes while the gunman was inside, according to Israel. The shooting rampage at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School lasted less than six minutes. The video was corroborated by witness statements, Israel said.
An officer from the nearby Coral Springs Police Department who responded to the shooting had said that he had seen Peterson in a Stoneman Douglas High parking lot. The deputy “was seeking cover behind a concrete column leading to a stairwell,” Officer Tim Burton said.
In the chaos immediately after the shooting, there were other missteps. A 20-minute delay in school-surveillance video confused Coral Springs police officers trying to find the gunman, said Chief Tony Pustizzi. By then, the suspect had already left the building.
Coral Springs police have said they were the first to respond to the shooting. Israel, who defended his office’s response on Wednesday and said his own deputies had not hung back outside the building, on Thursday said instead that the Coral Springs officers acted “heroically.”
Samantha Fuentes, 18, a senior at Stoneman Douglas who was shot in both legs, said she never saw Peterson during the “30 minutes” that passed before SWAT officers arrived at the first-floor classroom in which she and other students had been taking a class.
Israel said he suspended Peterson after seeing the video from the Parkland, Florida, school that showed Peterson outside the school building while the shooter was inside and attacking.
“What I saw was a deputy arrive at the west side of Building 12, take up a position, and never went in,” Israel said.
He said Peterson was armed, and was in uniform, and should have gone into the building. When asked what the deputy should have done, Israel said: “Went in and addressed the killer. Killed the killer.”
Attempts to reach Peterson on Thursday were unsuccessful.
Israel said that Peterson was in an office dealing with a school-related issue when the first shots were fired on Feb. 14 and that he gotten on his radio and then moved toward the outside of the building where the shooting was taking place. When asked what he is seen doing on the video, Israel replied: “nothing.”
Israel added, “These families lost their children. We lost coaches. I’ve been to the funerals. I’ve been to the homes where they’re sitting shiva. I’ve been to the vigils. It’s just, there are no words.”
Israel’s description of Peterson as an armed, trained officer who was present for a mass killing but did not confront the shooter comes as President Donald Trump, in response to the Parkland massacre, has suggested arming teachers as a way to deter possible threats, while the National Rifle Association (NRA) has also pushed for more armed guards in schools.
Trump has frequently suggested in response to mass shootings that more law-abiding people with firearms could help stop a shooter and the head of the NRA has repeatedly suggested the same. However, Israel’s announcement Thursday suggested that even if a person is armed, trained and available to help, that may not stop a mass killing that unfolds in a matter of minutes.
The deputy’s decision to remain outside breaks with police tactics for responding to active-shooting incidents. Ever since the 1999 attack at Colorado’s Columbine High School, authorities have emphasized the importance of pursuing the attacker or attackers quickly in an effort to eliminate the threat and prevent additional deaths.
“Columbine resulted in new approaches in which patrol officers are being trained to respond to active shooters as quickly as possible,” the Police Executive Research Forum, a think tank backed by major-cities chiefs, wrote in a 2014 report.
Of course, this approach brings with it inherent issues, the report continued, because “a faster response is more dangerous to responding officers. Patrol officers who quickly move to confront an active shooter face a high likelihood of being shot themselves.”
Officers involved in responding to these shootings have later described the terror they felt. A report released by the Justice Department after the San Bernardino, California, terrorist attack quoted an officer who described checking room after room in the conference center where the shooting occurred, expecting to find the shooters behind the final doors.
“I don’t want to say I made peace, but I was ready to go,” the officer said. “We got into one room, and it was empty. We had a quick breath, and in we went to the last room. I was never so excited to not see anybody.”
Material from The Washington
Post is included in this report.
HIGH-SCHOOL MASSACRE
Officer who hid outside as shooter raged resigns after being suspended
By ALAN BLINDER AND PATRICIA MAZZEI
The New York Times
MIKE STOCKER / SOUTH FLORIDA SUN SENTINEL
Students evacuate Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on Feb. 14, after the mass shooting that left 17 people dead.
Scott Israel, Broward County sheriff
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — The only armed sheriff’s deputy at a Florida high school where 17 people were killed took cover outside rather than charging into the building when the massacre began, the Broward County sheriff said Thursday.
The sheriff also acknowledged that his office received 23 calls related to the suspect going back a decade, including one last year that said he was collecting knives and guns, but may not have been adequately followed up.
The deputy, Scot Peterson, resigned Thursday after being suspended without pay after Sheriff Scott Israel reviewed surveillance video. “He never went in,” Israel said in a news conference. He said the video showed Peterson doing “nothing.”
“There are no words,” said Israel, who described himself as “devastated, sick to my stomach.”
Two other deputies, Edward Eason and Guntis Treijs, were placed on leave Thursday over the mishandling of tips called in to the sheriff’s office over the past two years warning that the suspect, Nikolas Cruz, 19, appeared intent on becoming a school shooter, Israel said.
The revelations added to a growing list of failures and missed signs by authorities that might have helped prevent one of the deadliest school shootings in U.S. history.
The FBI received a tip last month from someone close to Cruz that he owned a gun and had talked of committing a school shooting, the bureau revealed last week, acknowledging it had failed to investigate. The tip about Cruz appeared to be the second in four months, after another person told the bureau about an online comment apparently posted by Cruz that he wanted to become “a professional school shooter.”
The Florida Department of Children and Families, the state social-services agency, looked into Cruz’s well-being in 2016 after he posted on social media that he was cutting himself, but investigators determined he was not at risk of harming himself or others. The Broward County Public Schools had disciplinary complaints on Cruz dating back to when he was in middle school, including a long history of fighting.
Peterson is also mentioned as part of a 2016 social-services agency investigation into Cruz. According to a Florida Department of Children and Families report detailing that investigation, Peterson was approached by investigators and “refused to share any information ... regarding [an] incident that took place with” the teenager.
Israel said he informed Peterson on Thursday that he was being suspended without pay and placed under internal investigation. At 12:37 p.m. on Thursday, sheriff’s office records show, Peterson, 66, signed his retirement papers, which amounted to a resignation. He had been with the office for more than 32 years.
“The investigation will continue,” Israel said.
The surveillance video, which was not released, showed Peterson remained outside the west side of the building for at least four minutes while the gunman was inside, according to Israel. The shooting rampage at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School lasted less than six minutes. The video was corroborated by witness statements, Israel said.
An officer from the nearby Coral Springs Police Department who responded to the shooting had said that he had seen Peterson in a Stoneman Douglas High parking lot. The deputy “was seeking cover behind a concrete column leading to a stairwell,” Officer Tim Burton said.
In the chaos immediately after the shooting, there were other missteps. A 20-minute delay in school-surveillance video confused Coral Springs police officers trying to find the gunman, said Chief Tony Pustizzi. By then, the suspect had already left the building.
Coral Springs police have said they were the first to respond to the shooting. Israel, who defended his office’s response on Wednesday and said his own deputies had not hung back outside the building, on Thursday said instead that the Coral Springs officers acted “heroically.”
Samantha Fuentes, 18, a senior at Stoneman Douglas who was shot in both legs, said she never saw Peterson during the “30 minutes” that passed before SWAT officers arrived at the first-floor classroom in which she and other students had been taking a class.
Israel said he suspended Peterson after seeing the video from the Parkland, Florida, school that showed Peterson outside the school building while the shooter was inside and attacking.
“What I saw was a deputy arrive at the west side of Building 12, take up a position, and never went in,” Israel said.
He said Peterson was armed, and was in uniform, and should have gone into the building. When asked what the deputy should have done, Israel said: “Went in and addressed the killer. Killed the killer.”
Attempts to reach Peterson on Thursday were unsuccessful.
Israel said that Peterson was in an office dealing with a school-related issue when the first shots were fired on Feb. 14 and that he gotten on his radio and then moved toward the outside of the building where the shooting was taking place. When asked what he is seen doing on the video, Israel replied: “nothing.”
Israel added, “These families lost their children. We lost coaches. I’ve been to the funerals. I’ve been to the homes where they’re sitting shiva. I’ve been to the vigils. It’s just, there are no words.”
Israel’s description of Peterson as an armed, trained officer who was present for a mass killing but did not confront the shooter comes as President Donald Trump, in response to the Parkland massacre, has suggested arming teachers as a way to deter possible threats, while the National Rifle Association (NRA) has also pushed for more armed guards in schools.
Trump has frequently suggested in response to mass shootings that more law-abiding people with firearms could help stop a shooter and the head of the NRA has repeatedly suggested the same. However, Israel’s announcement Thursday suggested that even if a person is armed, trained and available to help, that may not stop a mass killing that unfolds in a matter of minutes.
The deputy’s decision to remain outside breaks with police tactics for responding to active-shooting incidents. Ever since the 1999 attack at Colorado’s Columbine High School, authorities have emphasized the importance of pursuing the attacker or attackers quickly in an effort to eliminate the threat and prevent additional deaths.
“Columbine resulted in new approaches in which patrol officers are being trained to respond to active shooters as quickly as possible,” the Police Executive Research Forum, a think tank backed by major-cities chiefs, wrote in a 2014 report.
Of course, this approach brings with it inherent issues, the report continued, because “a faster response is more dangerous to responding officers. Patrol officers who quickly move to confront an active shooter face a high likelihood of being shot themselves.”
Officers involved in responding to these shootings have later described the terror they felt. A report released by the Justice Department after the San Bernardino, California, terrorist attack quoted an officer who described checking room after room in the conference center where the shooting occurred, expecting to find the shooters behind the final doors.
“I don’t want to say I made peace, but I was ready to go,” the officer said. “We got into one room, and it was empty. We had a quick breath, and in we went to the last room. I was never so excited to not see anybody.”
Material from The Washington
Post is included in this report.
Still doesn’t make the tool used, a gun, at fault. Just like people don’t blame the forks for making them fat, or the pen for misspelled words.
You have to blame something, a gun is the easy way out, why not look at the real issue of depressed and drugged up populace.
Liberals are so short minded and bandwagon happy it a shame they even live in this country. You like liberal ideas, move to Europe. Or Canada.
People that want to do harm will as demenstrated many times over, will use another means, I’m sure I’m a are not aloud either, yet that’s the tool of choice in Europe.
Just as drugs are against the law, yet whadya know, they are still used by people who care not for laws.
Get real.
You have to blame something, a gun is the easy way out, why not look at the real issue of depressed and drugged up populace.
Liberals are so short minded and bandwagon happy it a shame they even live in this country. You like liberal ideas, move to Europe. Or Canada.
People that want to do harm will as demenstrated many times over, will use another means, I’m sure I’m a are not aloud either, yet that’s the tool of choice in Europe.
Just as drugs are against the law, yet whadya know, they are still used by people who care not for laws.
Get real.
As people we tend to judge others by our own standards, faults and merits. Those calling for gun-control it can be surmised don't feel comfortable, capable, or mentally proficient or emotionally stable to carry a firearm and therefore assume that others are just like themselves. Yes, I would agree that most snowflakes and cupcakes, the off-spring of liberal Democrats, would be physically challenged to carry a weapon and a parasol at the same time. Only when they're sufficiently doped up on psychotropic drugs and conditioned from playing their violent video games do they attempt to relate and socialize in what they believe is a violent society.
It is truly a sick society that runs about pointing the finger of blame without taking responsibility for what has been present in every mass school shooting; as Killer points out, psychotropic drugs. Look up or google the list or just watch the commercials on TV and you see a multitude being advertised. WTF?
It is truly a sick society that runs about pointing the finger of blame without taking responsibility for what has been present in every mass school shooting; as Killer points out, psychotropic drugs. Look up or google the list or just watch the commercials on TV and you see a multitude being advertised. WTF?
SnoKing
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LOL, I can't speak for SnoKing, but I am. At my age she is relatively safe, but I'm still an admirer of fine horse flesh!
Think about it for a moment, all of us on here that banter back and forth on a regular basis. It's been almost two generations since we were in uniform. It's been almost two generations since there was a war that wasn't fought with volunteers. There is a major portion of our population that have never known the meaning of the draft, war, or the immediate necessity of getting to know their piece in an intimate way or nature. A lot of young folks today don't have a clue about firearms unless they were raised in a rural area where they were viewed as just another tool, or their fathers introduced them to hunting. These millennials, as they are called, can't truly appreciate or comprehend the responsibility and pride in ownership of a firearm or the sense of self-protection that it affords. It's almost as if there are two camps, two divides; the sheep and the sheep-dogs. Both groups can't communicate or understand the other; and, one group wants to violate the Constitution by infringing on the God given right of ownership of firearms.
We are repeating history. In 1908, Lord Baden-Powell started the Boy Scouts in an attempt to educate the youth of the inner cities in England who he saw were in a very disadvantaged position during the Boor War. They had little or no knowledge concerning survival skills and firearms and were ill-suited as far as becoming good soldiers and being able to cut it in Africa. Today, these millennials are in that same boat. Many have been raised without a strong father image; they have endured through incorrect or lousy proper parenting; and, they are not prepared to assume their required position in society as responsible adults. They are sheep and an embarrassment! Drugging them on medications, bombarding them with a continual stream of violence concealed as entertainment, and making excuses for them is not the answer. And, even thinking of letting them dictate our freedoms and liberties is purely asinine.
The fine folks that fill the ranks today deserve our thanks and praise. But, they are a thin line when compared to the multitude of young people their age who want to live off the fat and do nothing without even having a clue as to what it's all about.
Think about it for a moment, all of us on here that banter back and forth on a regular basis. It's been almost two generations since we were in uniform. It's been almost two generations since there was a war that wasn't fought with volunteers. There is a major portion of our population that have never known the meaning of the draft, war, or the immediate necessity of getting to know their piece in an intimate way or nature. A lot of young folks today don't have a clue about firearms unless they were raised in a rural area where they were viewed as just another tool, or their fathers introduced them to hunting. These millennials, as they are called, can't truly appreciate or comprehend the responsibility and pride in ownership of a firearm or the sense of self-protection that it affords. It's almost as if there are two camps, two divides; the sheep and the sheep-dogs. Both groups can't communicate or understand the other; and, one group wants to violate the Constitution by infringing on the God given right of ownership of firearms.
We are repeating history. In 1908, Lord Baden-Powell started the Boy Scouts in an attempt to educate the youth of the inner cities in England who he saw were in a very disadvantaged position during the Boor War. They had little or no knowledge concerning survival skills and firearms and were ill-suited as far as becoming good soldiers and being able to cut it in Africa. Today, these millennials are in that same boat. Many have been raised without a strong father image; they have endured through incorrect or lousy proper parenting; and, they are not prepared to assume their required position in society as responsible adults. They are sheep and an embarrassment! Drugging them on medications, bombarding them with a continual stream of violence concealed as entertainment, and making excuses for them is not the answer. And, even thinking of letting them dictate our freedoms and liberties is purely asinine.
The fine folks that fill the ranks today deserve our thanks and praise. But, they are a thin line when compared to the multitude of young people their age who want to live off the fat and do nothing without even having a clue as to what it's all about.
It's okay, Wayne, I've had my say and probably said too much. I'll move on. My apologies if I have broken the rules of the Forum or offended anyone. For those not aware the "Politics Section" is where discussions of this nature should take place, and yes, SnoKing and I regularly cross swords over there and it shouldn't be here in the presence of the reasonably sane.
NIsaacs
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I don't think so....He posted...."That is a bit of a": then posted a picture of a girl stretching.....that's all.
Nick
SnoKing
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You guys are a bit slow on the word "stretch"!
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SnoKing
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Well that shows how easily you guys are swayed. Looking for Trump's left overs?
Nice communist logic. Need and Want are what separate communism and capitalism. Who the hell are YOU to decide what I NEED??? More importantly, who are YOU to decide what I want? I’ll keep donating money to the NRA as they are the only group i see doing anything to protect my country’s interests.
Don, you're wasting your time attempting to have an intelligent conversation with SnoKing. He lives in his own world and is interested in only posting snippets that he can copy and paste. His course of major study is old news but he is an expert on the teachings of Karl Marx and Saul Alinsky as most of us have discovered. I'm thinking of sending a major contribution in his name to the NRA. Let him explain that to the old geezers he sits around with in the trailer park.
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