Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Advance Diesel Tech PE fuel pumps?

[JCyrbok]

Do these pumps mount to the stock location or are they meant to be a pusher or relocated pump. I'm alway looking for a better mouse trap when it come to the lift pumps and mine is starting to get weak. Carry a spare in tool box but would reather replace with a reliable piece of equip.



They look like pretty good pumps. For thoses that have them how have they held up. Hows fuel press's. Also about how much are they. There ADT's web site did not list prices for them.



ALso any one use ADT's complete set? Lift pump, pusher and all the preassembled Aeroquip Lines that they you need all in one box? Kinda pricy at $449, but if it works I'm game.



Any comments good or bad are appreciated.



Thanks

J-



PS no major mod's so I was thinking the PE4100. Sound correct?

 

[banshee]

I just installed the entire kit this past weekend and must say that it's quite an install. There have been a few kinks to work out, but now the system is working VERY well. At my power level I can't get my westach FP gauge off 16 . With my prior new stock lift pump I could pull the gauge to zero without too much trouble. It is by far the hardest install I have done to date, but it is anything a couple of guys on a free weekend can't do. I'm getting up with Andy at ADT to hopefully make a few small adjustments to make this baby flawless.



I mounted my pump back by the tank and made a custom bracket out of L-channel steel that used the factory cross brace bolts. The pump is only ~6" from the front of the tank and is very well protected yet mounted solidly. I'll try to take some pictures of the setup within the next couple of days.



A couple of high HP guys (Bigsaint and Jetpilot) have been running this pump for several months without issue, and Jetpilot has told me that he can't pull below 14psi. I think it's the most reliable system out there to date.



John

 

[shaft]

Hmmm my posts seem to be not showing up... ... this is a test.

 

[shaft]

Ok thats better.....



So are you saying the $449 kit from ADT includes one of the PE series pumps?



That was a question that came to mind when I read about the kit on their site... ... it doesnt say what kind of pump is included.

 

[Patriot Diesel]

two different kits....

I am sure Andy will chime in here soon but this is my take on their pumps...



ADT has two different fuel/lift pump setups. The original kit has a replacement Carter lift pump and a Carter LP pusher pump (to be mounted back by the tank). It also comes with -6 braided lines and fittings.



The new setup Andy and Doug are selling is one of three pumps made by Product Engineering. They are the PE4100, PE4200 and the PE4300. The PE4300 has an external bypass that requires an additonal line run back to the tank. The PE Pump replaces your factory lift pump and mounts on the frame back near the tank.



I have the first PE4200 that ADT had made and I love it. I have been through more pumps than you can count on one hand (previous to the PE4200) and I believe we have a winner in the PE pumps. They do come with a 2 year no questions asked warranty. Mine has been in use for about 7K miles without a single problem.



Typically at idle I see 18PSI. Pedal to the floor I can bring it down to around 12-13PSI but immediately it rebounds back to 18PSI. These are really strong performing pumps. No more Carters, Mallorys... etc for me. I'm sticking with the Product Engineering setup.



PE Pumps from ADT





Jeff

 

[SmokinRam]

Re: two different kits....

Originally posted by Patriot Diesel

I am sure Andy will chime in here soon but this is my take on their pumps...

Thanks Jeff, you took the words right out of my mouth.



I first have to make one thing clear. I have seen it mentioned on this site recently that people are referring to the Product Engineering pumps as ours(Advanced Diesel Technologies). This is wrong, we are just a distributor for PE and proud to be.



Like Jeff said, we have tried them all, not mentioning any names, and have had failures with all of them at one time or another. We inquired to PE about their pumps and to Dougs and my surprise, found one of the greatest companies that we have ever found to work with. Mike and John of PE are two of the greatest guys to work with. They worked together with us, listening to our applications and concerns and helped us put together a fuel system for these trucks that will work... . Anyone that has seen any of the PE pumps in person, please chime in here, and tell everyone how unbelievable they look. The quality and craftsmanship is second to none in the fuel pump world. But what really makes the PE guys stand apart from the rest is their interest in our applications. Before we spoke to them, they really had no idea a Cummins Diesel pickup truck can produce 700 rear wheel HP. They wanted to know what our intentions were with the pumps, how and where they were going to be mounted, the lines feeding them, the lines exiting the pumps and just about everything else you can think of in our applications. They basically would not give us their golden seal of approval until we convinced them that we were using the pumps in their correctly designed fashion... THAT in my mind says a lot... .



Anyways, back to the questions at hand. Yes we found a winner here. We are currently building a couple of different systems ranging from a -8AN/-6AN system to a complete -8AN system with custom siphon tubes...



Like John mentioned above, he just went through a system install and found a few minor bugs that we need to work out. This is the kind of feedback we want to hear from customers. John is also going to be gracious enough to write up some installation instructions for our kits. If anyone has seen John's or John's fathers truck, you would know of the high quality work that these guys do...



Best thing to do if you are interested in a kit is give us a call and either Doug or myself will be more than happy to put together a system that will fit YOUR particular application. Each system is custom built to order so very fast delivery of the systems, as of now, is not possible.



Thank You



Andy

 

[JCyrbok]

press question ref the PE pumps

I am pretty much stock except a Scotty II. I really dont plan on doing any major enhancements as I bought my truck for reliablilty and longevity ( I plan on atleast 400K) so I'm thinking that the PE 4100 is the way for me ( closest to the stock psi numbers) Is this a problem or should I go with the next size up? I wonder ( worry) about too much PSI going to the VP. I figure if not enough is bad that too much is probably bad too.



Any thoughts?



Also how does the pump get wired. Stock harness, adaptor etc. I'm kind of an idiot when it comes to intricate wiring. If the instructions are good I can stumble through it.



ALso how much $ for the pump? The site did not list proce that I could find.



Thanks

J-

 

[Bigsaint]

Andy really summed it up quite nicely regarding the PE pumps . I was a bit skeptical, after having more than my share of Mallory failures, but once I called the guys at PE and spoke with them, I gained a ton of convidence in thier company and products. Seeing is believing with the PE pumps. Almost too damn pretty to mount under a diesel truck. Almost .



The pump needs to be mounted near the fuel tank and slightly below for a good siphon feed. You will also need to wire the pump using a relay, it's really quite simple. You use the OEM hot wire, that exits the ECM and powers the existing pump, as the trigger (switch) for the relay. The pump comes with o-ringed -8AN fitings for the inlet and outlet, so you will need to decide what you are going to do reagarding the existing fuel line (inbound). This is a good time to upgrade to the braided SS line as the amount of fittings required to adapt to 3/8" rubber line may be more than you want on your truck. Less fittings equals less chance for leaks.



Here's how mine runs... the inbound hardline was cut back by the frame, just in front of the tank. I adapted to the hardline using a Earls compression fitting to -8AN. Next comes the hose end of the braided line, then the line itself, to another hose end and to the -8AN inlet of the pump. I ran -8AN line up to the inlet of the fuel filter, then reduced it to -6AN ( using a reducer fitting) to adapt to my -6AN Weber fitting on the fuel filter. At the bottom of the fuel filter I have another -6AN Weber fitting, then a short length of -6AN line, which connects to the final Weber fitting at the inlet of the VP44.



Works for me. I have no problems with fuel pressure with the PE4100 set at 16 psi's @ idle. The absolute lowest I can drag it down is 10 psi's ( all readings are post filter) @ WOT and it recovers very quickly to around 13 psi's through out a sustained WOT run. I' hazard a guess that a PE4100, set at 14 psi's @ idle, would be way more fuel flow than you will ever need if your truck is otherwise stock. I bumped mine up just a bit, to leave some room for the step 5 injectors and two fueling boxes that I have piggybacked.



Scott W.

 

[JCyrbok]

pressure adjustments

Are the pumps adjustiable by the user with in their factory PSI range? In Bigsaints last post thats what it sounded like to me. That would be great if it was as u could fine tune the pump to your truck and needs.



ALso none has yet to shoot me a ball park figure of a price on the PE4100. Come on I can take it. LOL.



Thanks

J-



PS Bigsaint, where did you pick up your FP gauage input from if you have a weber fitting at the VP instead of a tapped bango. Just curious as This has been confusing me as I cant find a gauage adaptor for my 1/8 NPT line for my sender.

 

[Rob Thomas]

I also have a PE4200,(18-21 psi) which I got from Doug and Andy at www.smokindiesel.com , I love it, it's only been a short time since installed, but I have good feelings about it. It is very nice looking, anodized aluminum,(I mounted it on the outside of the frame to show it off, cause I can with the dump-bed, LOL) and seems very well built, and with the warranty, you can't really go wrong.



The install didn't take all that long, although I am fairly handy. I built my own "kit" with -8 braided line to the filter, and -6 from filter to the VP, complete with 2 (pre and post) mechanical gauges, also I installed my own version -8 siphon tube in the tank.



I also left the stock crap (lift-pump and my pusher) in place (but blocked off to weather) and if I ever have a problem with the PE pump, I can change back to the stock crap in literally 10 minutes, at best, and be on my way.



Thanks to Doug for talkin' with me about it, and to Scott (Bigsaint) for turning me onto the pump in the first place.



Later, Rob

 

[Rob Thomas]

Re: pressure adjustments

Originally posted by JCyrbok





Thanks

J-



PS Bigsaint, where did you pick up your FP gauage input from if you have a weber fitting at the VP instead of a tapped bango. Just curious as This has been confusing me as I cant find a gauage adaptor for my 1/8 NPT line for my sender.

J,



Aeroquip makes both gauge port fitting's, -6 and -8 lines, for 1/8 pipe to the gauge, I got mine locally, but call Doug or Andy, they may have them as well.



Later, Rob

 

[JCyrbok]

Looks like we have a winner

Well this may be the way I go for my truck. Thanks for all the replies. Keep 'em comming if you have more good info or experience with these pumps.



Thanks

J-

 

[JCyrbok]

"protection"

With the pump mounted under the frame on the rail how well protected is it from crap on the road boucning up and hitting it? ALso any problem with the HUGE amount of Salt that the Road Commision uses in the winter damaging either the aluminum pump or the SS braided lines and fittings? I'm trying to cover all of my bases before I jump into this.



Thanks

J-



Also DC warranty VOID after doing this? Anyone know. I have a decent dealer that overlooks my Scotty II and has done warranty servce in the past, but that was on the Trans so I think he didnt care. Will I be screwed if the VP goes out and they take issue with the aftermarket pump? We all know how DC is. I only have 20K on my truck and have a 70K extended warranty too. Any thoughts will be greatly appreciated. ANy one know what Cummins take on this would be. I have a CUmmins shop 2 miles from my house, but service manager advised that they rarely work on PU's as it is a Semi truck shop. He said it would be case by case if they would work on my truck. ANy idea's?

 

[Bigsaint]

Rob already answered, but I'll confirm the use of a pressure port fitting (1/8" NPT) for the gauge sender/mechanical line. I have two, one is pre-filter, the other is post. Looks like this.....



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I got mine from Brandon, you can buy them from Summit Racing or Jegs. I'm using the ones made by Earl's.



Scott W.

 

[BFC]

Prices

The kit from ADT is 499$, icluded all the line assemble ready to bolt on. Just the pump is 300$



Glenn

 

[Rob Thomas]

J,



I wash my truck more than most, ( almost need another job to pay for that alone) the salt (I am from MI also) rarely is on it for more than a day. If your really concerned about it, you can be creative, and make a weather proof encloser, or maybe coat it with grease or the like, and clean off in the spring.



As far as warranty, couldn't tell ya, I don't have one.



Later, Rob