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I traded in my '13 for a '14 just to get away from the 3.42 and 68rfe trans. Dealer wanted around $8k to do both front and rear (nuts). If you can do it yourself and don't mind voiding the warranty then by all means. Still cost you $1500 or so for OEM parts.

I just broke 12k miles on the '14 with 4.10s and AISIN and loving every minute. Although I didn't buy my truck for mileage there isn't that much a difference between the two gear sets anyways.
 
Super happy with my 3:73s on my 3500. Towing 25k gross.
When it needed to it shifted to 5th on the hills. When on the flats it carried it just fine in 6th.
The best of both worlds in my opinion.
 
I traded in my '13 for a '14 just to get away from the 3.42 and 68rfe trans. Dealer wanted around $8k to do both front and rear (nuts). If you can do it yourself and don't mind voiding the warranty then by all means. Still cost you $1500 or so for OEM parts.

I just broke 12k miles on the '14 with 4.10s and AISIN and loving every minute. Although I didn't buy my truck for mileage there isn't that much a difference between the two gear sets anyways.

Interesting. When i bought my 11 HO Dually with 3:42 gears I asked if they could do a gear swap and give me a good deal. They sure did give a good deal $1,500 front and rear axles total price. After towing my heavy Mobile Suites I decided to keep the 3:42's. 5th gear is about the same RPM's as 6th with 4:10's.
 
Driving the same commute and towing the same trailers with each setup was very interesting. The 3.42s really did suck for towing. Not saying they are worthless and can't tow heavy. The 4.10s do it with much less effort and get much better towing mileage. I understand 5th is very similar to 6th with the 4.10s, but its not just about highway driving. The AISIN also has a very high first gear which helps considerably with getting fat loads moving. Very noticable towing my 25k GN dump. Had to scream the motor to get that load moving where with the 4.10 and AISIN it seems like she's not even struggling.

What shocked me was overall mileage between the two gear sets. Yes the 3.42s get great mileage on the highway but around town it suffers bringing the overall true average down.

3.73's would be a very interesting middle ground. GSBrockman has them and pulls down some nice loaded and unloaded mileage. Some people think peak highway mileage is what its all about. Not so in my opinion. Overall fuel consumption at the end of the year is what I'm interested in (not what I can max out at on flat grounds, mirrors folded in and windows shut).

I think the 3.73's with AISIN would probably make the BEST combo overall for the weekend hauler/daily commuter.
 
If I were to buy a new truck today it would be a 3500 SRW Aisin QC LB, and it would have dealer installed 4.10's in it before I ever drove it. They would be part of the original purchase, and Dodge installed. That should at least get me a 12/12,000 warranty on them, if not the full warranty.

In terms of wear and tear, yes wear and tear on the engine is lower with 3.42's when there isn't a load. But if there is a load the engine has to produce more torque to match the rear wheel torque of the 4.10 truck. Torque is harder on parts than horsepower, so when loaded the 4.10's are actually easier on everything. (not to side track, but I just did the math for a similar discussion... a truck with 3.42's needs to make 118hp and 292 ft/lbs to get 1,000 ft/lbs to the ground and a truck with 4.10's needs to make 118hp/ 244 ft/lbs to get the same 1,000 ft/lbs to the ground, this is all in direct gear at the same speed).

The gearing of the Aisin makes 3.42's work well for nearly everyone, as most people spend far more time at highway speeds with a load than at slow speeds which means dropping a gear is easy. The reason I want 4.10's is the amount of time I spend at low speeds, sometimes for 60-70 miles without getting above 40 mph and 1/2 of that below 20 mph, with some steep grades and GCW's at or above 20K lbs. There isn't anything lower than first, and if I am in first working the fool out of the torque converter there is going to be a LOT of heat generation. This is the #1 reason I have a manual in my 2005. 4.10's provide 20% more gearing, and that will be noticed when loaded at 7 mph on a 10% grade at 7K feet.
 
Why not just split the difference and go with the 3.73's???? This is what I have in my 3500 as I only tow about 1/3 the miles traveled, and am very happy with the performance..
 
Why not just split the difference and go with the 3.73's???? This is what I have in my 3500 as I only tow about 1/3 the miles traveled, and am very happy with the performance..

If your going to pay out of pocket why go with 373's? It's only a 10% difference, and with the double ODs there isn't a good reason not to get 4.10's.
 
I thought I would NEVER say this My 3.42s in MY SWRs love"em..I drove 75/80 MPH form Blaine MN to West Yellowstone (Our Cabin 2014-15) Pulling 4-Place snowmobile Trailer with gear 2 Mountain Machines (Yamaha) made record time Both ways (By 1:50mins) (1089 miles) ,With My old 4'10s I was limited speeds 65/70 for any type of MPG. The 4.10s Running RPMs 2200/2400 285s, My 3.42s 2013-14 with 275s 1500-1800 with plenty of power.

I love crossing ND/MT at 75-80MPH (when conditions warrant),I don't want to hear thats to fast, I have temp sensors for tires and TPMS on Truck/trailer, I check the hub temps when filling or stopping, if they get above 180* I slow down.
 
TC, how much snowmobiling did you do in Yellowstone? My parents were supposed to go up there this weekend on a company paid trip but it got canceled from the lack of snow. Do you run your sleds in the park? They mentioned having to rent rather than take their own (they live in Wyoming), something about 4strokes being required and they own 2 strokes.
 
I thought I would NEVER say this My 3.42s in MY SWRs love"em..I drove 75/80 MPH form Blaine MN to West Yellowstone (Our Cabin 2014-15) Pulling 4-Place snowmobile Trailer with gear 2 Mountain Machines (Yamaha) made record time Both ways (By 1:50mins) (1089 miles) ,With My old 4'10s I was limited speeds 65/70 for any type of MPG. The 4.10s Running RPMs 2200/2400 285s, My 3.42s 2013-14 with 275s 1500-1800 with plenty of power.

I love crossing ND/MT at 75-80MPH (when conditions warrant),I don't want to hear thats to fast, I have temp sensors for tires and TPMS on Truck/trailer, I check the hub temps when filling or stopping, if they get above 180* I slow down.


I think they are great for that kind of use.

What do you like for trailer tires? I'm guessing they aren't STs based on the speeds. I'm LT tire shopping for my TT this spring.
 
TC, how much snowmobiling did you do in Yellowstone? My parents were supposed to go up there this weekend on a company paid trip but it got canceled from the lack of snow. Do you run your sleds in the park? They mentioned having to rent rather than take their own (they live in Wyoming), something about 4strokes being required and they own 2 strokes.

We did NO riding, I left our Trailer In West Yellowstone at cabin form the Dec/Jan Trip... It was the worst Snow conditions I've seen in 20 Years....Your machine Must be approve By the Forest Service and then You Must hire a license guide, or rent form tour company,You are much better off taking a coach into the Park, Most people don't realize the BEST riding is the MT/ID (350+ miles) state trails. Some tour companies are wheeling in the park then you can ride form Madison JCT to twin falls (snowmobile), the rest of the Park is close to snowmobiling until Next season Dec 15.
 
I think they are great for that kind of use.

What do you like for trailer tires? I'm guessing they aren't STs based on the speeds. I'm LT tire shopping for my TT this spring.


I only Buy Trail masters / Marathons , Made in USA / Canada / or New Zealand only. The Trailer Masters that I'm now running are 7 Years old and Need replacing next season. they have about 25K on them, Darn happy about that, maybe 1 more risky year left. I have added some air after storage other then that its Virgin air.
 
You're reasoning makes a lot of sense... for the Rocky Mountain states. If one lives in the East, which I don't, then they probably may not need all of the low end grunt as much.
 
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