Advertised Torque and HP Is DC liable for numbers

[n4hwl]

Can the customer hold Dodge to be legaly responsible for the advertised torque and HP promises that were made when he bought his truck? Also do these 24 valve motors give the kind of power advertised stock from the factory before we start putting our toys on them?

Thanks

Ken

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1998 1/2 24 valve 2500 automatic 3. 55 alcoa aluminum wheels

 

[K_Arts]

Originally posted by Ken Tenpenny:
Can the customer hold Dodge to be legaly responsible for the advertised torque and HP promises that were made when he bought his truck?

Ken... Honestly I would have to say "NO. " The advertised HP and Torque numbers are at the flywheel not to the ground. Take in account that the power from the flywheel still has to go through the transmission... so you will lose some power there. Every truck will have different numbers, so I don't see how Dodge could be help accountable? Anyone else have feedback?

Thanks

Kev

 

[Mopar-muscle]

oh boy , another lawsuit , there was someone else that was whinnig ... sorry , this is how i see it ... about dodge lying and setting the rev limiter on his V10 400 rpm below an advertised hp/tq curve in the brochure , don't know what happened , but i see it as a waste of time .

i actually asked the guy , king of jokingly if we could band in as the 24V just don't give us the carrot that DC dangled in front of our noses .

have you put yours on a dyno to see if it is actually low or are you reading into all the bombing ????

[This message has been edited by Mopar-muscle (edited 12-22-2000). ]

 

[Deezal Man]

I better limit my answer to a simple "NO" #ad


Sorry to be the one to break the news... but Chrylser mass-produces our trucks.

Chrysler... nor anyone else dyno's every engine. Thus all engine spec's are classified under their pre-production siblings.

I'm sure your truck is plenty close. . heck, you might have more than advertised.

 

[n4hwl]

I had my pcm and ecm reflashed today. My torque convertor was not staying locked. The sticker says:

Reprogram PCM & ECM
Recall 799 & 8001
TSB 18-02-99 & 18-08-99

I hope they did the tsb 18-11-99 . They told me they were going to do that. I hope this will help my transmission problem. I do notice already that it shifts different. What product will help increase my timing. I am considering putting in 275 injectors and some type of box. Any suggestions

Thanks
Ken



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1998 1/2 24 valve 2500 automatic 3. 55 alcoa aluminum wheels

 

[pwr2tow]

Ken, as long as it is within 20% of advertized it is within speces, I know this because I had mine dyno due to my complaining of low power, mine dynoed 171. 9HP at cummins and they said close enough. 215HP at the fly wheel 43HP lose is 20%. Bend over DC has spoke.

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1999, 3500, 6x6, slt, auto, 3. 54, Qd cab, ISB cummins, towing 2001 26RKSS Tahoe 5th wheel, 1999 120hp 1800 bayliner.

 

[RonaldLarson]

Horsepower and torque specs on ALL truck and car manufacturers engines are created from parameters which include blueprinted, seated engines and lab grade fuels. Horsepower loss through the drive train should be around twenty percent. Reams of paper have been exhausted on the neccesity of the Cummins engine in our trucks to be fully broken in before maximum horsepower and fuel economy can be realized. We're talking twenty thousand miles, here! You are not driving a short-lived flash in the pan muscle car, you own the best diesel pickup money can buy. It ain't about instant gratification, it's about long term love!
Ron


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'99 QC SLT 4X4, Forest Green, long box, camper/trailer pkg, 3. 55 axles, auto, CD/cassette, power seat, heated mirrors, HD xfer case, Two meter Radioshack ham transceiver (license KC7MME),Proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy!
'98 Arctic Cat 300 4X4 ATV
'00 Honda Recon ATV
'99 Grand Cherokee
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[Mike Vonada]

Can the customer hold Dodge to be legaly responsible for the advertised torque and HP promises that were made when he bought his truck?

Short answer from the 5 Star service dept. Oh thanks for bringing it to our attention we will adjust it for you.

 

[HiPerf360]

They have this little phrase in the industry... "Specs subject to change without notice. "

Jonathon

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'96 3500 5spd Heavily BOMBed @50psi boost, DynoMax Race Mag muffler, cat fell off, Green/Tan loaded... 16. 70@95... And it is for sale

'67 Barracuda 11. 71@111

NHRA Member for life... LOL

 

[rrxp689]

DEEZAL-MAN, Navistar does put every PSD on a test stand before it's installed and every Super Duty is chassis dynoed before it goes out the door. I'd be willing to bet that DC have very similar practices.

RONSRAM, typical parasitic drivline losses usually approach 20%. Especiially on automatics. Alot of Cummins guys who have posted their numbers are closer to rated power at the wheels though. In your case the 20% does seem odd but fully plausible.

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Chris Ludwig
2001. 5 2500, 4x4, QC, auto, Garnet Red
Scotty Air, resonator missing, Westin Bars
Pyro, boost and trans gauges waiting

Former jetski racer
Currently building an ITS RX7 for SCCA

 

[Big A]

Right on Ron!
Alot of these guys want instant gratification. These engines are tough to break in. If after 15 to 20,000 miles you fellas are still not satisfied,then consider upgrades. I know have 25000 on mine,and the power and fuel economy has improved over time. Just my . 2c worth
Big A

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'99 3/4 24 valver Quad,auto,KN stock, westin powder black pushbar.

 

[merryman]

I suspect that if we could hold DC liable in that way, TV would be history as most all advertisers would go broke trying to pay the damage awards, and without advertisers--no TV.

The law recognizes that much sales effort is "puffing"-- to the extent that we are expected to take advertising with a grain of salt.

Vaughn (30+ years on the trial bench)

 

[Moto]

Dodge makes claims that they know are untrue. But there is an old saying that you can figure into the mix "Figures don't lie but liars figure". I had my truck dynoed on a modern state of the art system and it was within 20% of claimed horse power. DC knows that all courts will concider a +/- factor that will hold up if someone is willing to spend the money to take them to court. The company that ran the dyno said that 100% of the trucks run about 20% down. Southwest Cummins in Phoenix AZ also told me the same thing. The one saving grace is that all companies make the same type of claims, not all as bad as Dodge. The other thing that they claim is the best pulling power. Well in stock form that just is not true. When I ask them about that they pointed out that it had the best for its class. I ask what that ment and they said all 6cyd diesels under 6. 0L. Wow, I ask them what trucks were in that class. They said they did not know. That was from the Dodge customer service line. Cummins is a good motor with a lot of untapped power (stock) but Dodge can kiss my "Bass".