Air intake questions a bunch of them!

[JARichard]

OK, I have been doing a lot of reading on 3 different Dodge Cummins sites and have a few questions

1. which is better dry or oiled filter media and why?
   
2. Do you have to wet clean the AEM brute Force filter media?
   
3. Have any of you had problems with an AEM brute force intake?
   
4. Have any of you had problems with a S+B intake?
   

 

[jsdan]

I have a Fram Boost intake (same as AEM brute force) and I like it. Kit came with cleaner solution you mix in water,but I have not cleaned it yet. I did just buy an Amsoil ea 4090 filter for easy cleaning . Makes turbo sing like a jet airplane!

 

[liberty]

I installed the aem Brute force, I am very happy with it. I was impressed that I could actually feel the improvement in performance. There is literature on the Aem website that states how it is better from the competitors, and it says it is 99. 9% effective, to 1 micron. You can also view flow rates at different CFM's on the website.

There is a very good video on there as well showing you the entire cleaning process. Yes you need to clean it with water.

I'm not saying its better than any others, but I and very satisfied with it.



ps. you might want to check out their new "workhorse" line of filters, they are supposed to be specially designed for heavy duty diesel trucks.

 

[BStandefer]

OK, I have been doing a lot of reading on 3 different Dodge Cummins sites and have a few questions

1. which is better dry or oiled filter media and why?
   
2. Do you have to wet clean the AEM brute Force filter media?
   
3. Have any of you had problems with an AEM brute force intake?
   
4. Have any of you had problems with a S+B intake?
   

What other sites have you been looking on?

 

[SuperSteeler]

I have heard good things about the AEM Brute Force. They weren't available when I did mine (BHAF). I may switch to them in the future. If you are interested in a BHAF setup check out the pics in my profile.

 

[p-Bar]

Paper media is best, your stock airbox set up is good up to 1000cfm well more than what the the motor needs.

 

[Axekicker]

OK, I have been doing a lot of reading on 3 different Dodge Cummins sites and have a few questions

1. which is better dry or oiled filter media and why?
   
2. Do you have to wet clean the AEM brute Force filter media?
   
3. Have any of you had problems with an AEM brute force intake?
   
4. Have any of you had problems with a S+B intake?
   

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1. I prefer "dry"... It's idiot-proof! :-laf They have to do that because them idiots is sooooo smart these days!

2. Don't "have" to... You can use compressed air once in an while but the AEM cleaner kit is a "wet" kit and probably works a little better than just "air".

3. No. It took me about 30 minutes to de-install my factory intake and install AEM's cold-air kit. Just make sure you read the instructions (another "idiot-proof" procedure) first!

4. Never got that far. Got the AEM kit in and really liked it so I stopped there! Why mess with success?



HEADS-UP: If you get the AEM kit... you'll notice a loud "thunk" under the hood the first time you nail the throttle hard... hold it... and then suddenly let off. I think it's the plastic cage inside the conical filter sliding from one side to the other as the air-flow inside the filter suddenly changes velocity. Don't let it freak you out (like it did me). (I'm pretty sure that's what it is. ) The people at AEM can probably clarify it for you if you call them first and ask them about it. I'm too busy nailing the throttle and listening to the "ram-jet" under my hood to slow down and call them myself. Gotta keep both hands on the wheel... if ya knowhaddamean!!! (You'll really like the sound of the AEM set-up if your a die-hard diesel-nut)

 

[mconstable]

Man... that AEM Brute Force was looking great until I saw the price!

And I thought the price on AfE's enclosed set-up was high!

 

[Axekicker]

Man... that AEM Brute Force was looking great until I saw the price!

And I thought the price on AfE's enclosed set-up was high!

Where did you go for pricing? PM me and I'll tell you where I got mine and how much.

 

[Tryingit]

I 've been using the AEM filter (Dryflow) for a while in a S&B box set up. I really like that setup. The AEM metal tube got to be annoying. I don't mind the whistling noise of course. But the air sounds got to be too much. I would really like to purchase just the new AEM Workhorse filter only. But I don't thinks it is out yet. I have yet to clean the filter with over 10K.

 

[Diesel Thunder]

What was annoying about the AEM metal tube? I have been looking into it as well.



Thanks,



Diesel Thunder

 

[jsdan]

(I'm pretty sure that's what it is. )[/I] The people at AEM can probably clarify it for you if you call them first and ask them about it. I'm too busy nailing the throttle and listening to the "ram-jet" under my hood to slow down and call them myself. Gotta keep both hands on the wheel... if ya knowhaddamean!!! (You'll really like the sound of the AEM set-up if your a die-hard diesel-nut)

sounds like turbo bark to me.

 

[Axekicker]

sounds like turbo bark to me.

Maybe... but it never did it until I put the AEM Cold Air kit on. How would the AEM kit make the turbo "bark" when it didn't with the factory intake components in-place?

 

[brista]

Maybe... but it never did it until I put the AEM Cold Air kit on. How would the AEM kit make the turbo "bark" when it didn't with the factory intake components in-place?

Hmmm... turbo bark is pretty quiet with the stock airbox. Maybe you weren't hearing it before?

 

[Tryingit]

The air sucking sounds coming from within the metal tube. I could hear all of that air rushing into the turbo. I started to fixate on that. It then became annoying. I might chalk that up to getting old and grumpy. But I won't.

With the S&B I still hear the whistling (abeit not as loud) but no more air noise. My neighbor also has the AEM and he doesn't notice the air sounds.

 

[jsdan]

Maybe... but it never did it until I put the AEM Cold Air kit on. How would the AEM kit make the turbo "bark" when it didn't with the factory intake components in-place?

I'm not sure,mine never did it that i know of stock, but will with my fram boost(same as your aem) and also does it with the amsoil 4090 filter on my aem tube. Maybe the baffles and the enclosed in the stock system? I just try not to let off the pedal to fast when building boost.

 

[archer2500]

Paper media is best, your stock airbox set up is good up to 1000cfm well more than what the the motor needs.

There is another post in here somewhere, I cant find it now (sorry I would prefer to cite my references) but the guy stated he was in contact with one of the engineers from the company who designed our intakes on the 3rd gens. I thought, but I could be wrong, that the max airflow stated there was 850cfm. Either way there were a TON of responses all agreeing that the stock airbox does not allow enough airflow to the engine. I have a 100% stock truck and I can draw my filter minder down with a few applications of Wide Open Throttle, with an AFE drop-in filter or a brand new stock filter. That tells me that there is not enough air flow through the filter box and filter to supply a stock engine running wide open (Im not even pulling a trailer, just haulin a@@ on the highway).

Are you sure that our stock airbox and filter combo provides 1000cfm of airflow? And are you sure that is MORE than the engine requires?

 

[p-Bar]

Iv'e heard a stock ISB is around 650 CFM. The filter minder is just a reference tool we really don't know what it is calibrated to. I was witness to the air box test on the flow bench. I guess we need to keep seeking. I can't tell you where I gained the info on the 650.

 

[archer2500]

Thats an excellent point! I hadnt considered the calibration of the filter-minder itself. Perhaps at WOT the 3rd Gen engine has a greater amount of suction? Maybe the filter minder is simply reacting to the increased air demand of the engine rather than reflecting an increase in pressure differential. lol seems like there are more questions than answers at this point.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Iv'e heard a stock ISB is around 650 CFM. The filter minder is just a reference tool we really don't know what it is calibrated to. I was witness to the air box test on the flow bench. I guess we need to keep seeking. I can't tell you where I gained the info on the 650.

I'll soon be switching from a BHAF to one of the Donaldson "Nano media" element filters - as part of the swap, and while my filter minder is out, I plan to make some tests with my vacuum setup and gauge to see exactly what range it does cover.



I'll post my findings on the board, and it would help if others have done the same so we can compare readings - these filter minders might not be all that consistent from one to another, so a broader database would help.



I do know that that first hard run towing our 5th wheel up a Sierra grade after installing my Comp pulled my filter minder 2/3 of the way down on a new OEM filter element...