Thought this small oil spill news might interest some of you.
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Alaska Crude Oil Spill of the Week
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Oil Spill
Due to the fact I am one of those terrible Texas/Oklahoma oilfield workers, I think that we do need to drill in the ANWR. With all of the EPA regs. in place and major oil companies like BP with their stringent SPCC (spill prevention control and countermeasure) plans, spills are rare. Also, as Don M. pointed out, the situation was handled swifly, because BP has an excellent SPCC plan, and with minimal adverse impact to the environment.
When to fully PRODUCE wells in the ANWR is another issue. Why use our own reserves, when OPEC is still letting us buy it cheap? Lets deplete someone elses supply, before tapping our own, but I do think we need the reserves on hand for strategic purposes.
Until scientists come up with a viable alternative, we will use fossil fuel as our primary means of power. If some think Nuclear fission is an environmentally friendly alternative, think again.
Spills happen in any industry, and I think that the oil and petrochemical industry has their act together better than anyone else in terms of environmental compliance and response.
Small time lease operators and the media tend to give oil production the apperance as environmentally unsound. The Lemmings in America, that believe everything they see on TV or in newspapers, see this and think the whole industry is full of people who derive great pleasure from polluting the environment. This mentality follows right along with the history of liberal idealists who (for instance) protest the un-ethical treatment of beef cattle, walk to their leather upholstered Lexus in their leather strapped Birkenstocks and drive to Wendy's for a double with Biggie fries.
I know most of this does not apply to the original post. I just had to vent; I'm ok now. Really.
Due to the fact I am one of those terrible Texas/Oklahoma oilfield workers, I think that we do need to drill in the ANWR. With all of the EPA regs. in place and major oil companies like BP with their stringent SPCC (spill prevention control and countermeasure) plans, spills are rare. Also, as Don M. pointed out, the situation was handled swifly, because BP has an excellent SPCC plan, and with minimal adverse impact to the environment.
When to fully PRODUCE wells in the ANWR is another issue. Why use our own reserves, when OPEC is still letting us buy it cheap? Lets deplete someone elses supply, before tapping our own, but I do think we need the reserves on hand for strategic purposes.
Until scientists come up with a viable alternative, we will use fossil fuel as our primary means of power. If some think Nuclear fission is an environmentally friendly alternative, think again.
Spills happen in any industry, and I think that the oil and petrochemical industry has their act together better than anyone else in terms of environmental compliance and response.
Small time lease operators and the media tend to give oil production the apperance as environmentally unsound. The Lemmings in America, that believe everything they see on TV or in newspapers, see this and think the whole industry is full of people who derive great pleasure from polluting the environment. This mentality follows right along with the history of liberal idealists who (for instance) protest the un-ethical treatment of beef cattle, walk to their leather upholstered Lexus in their leather strapped Birkenstocks and drive to Wendy's for a double with Biggie fries.
I know most of this does not apply to the original post. I just had to vent; I'm ok now. Really.
we must do better
If I had to justify my need for a truck, I would be drivin a Toyota, but thankfully I don't have too.
Regardless, we need to be good stewards of the land (no matter how small the spill,landfill, etc,), we need to decrease our impact on the natural world.
I think that what infuriates most folks (and me) sensitive to eco concerns is the feeling that more farmland, forest, what have you is being exposed to development of some type, so we object to it redardless of what the alternatives are.
Like many other industries, the oil industry has benefitted by our government over the years, I think it Bass Ackwards to continue this and develop a fragile area, before fully commiting to more sustainable technologies.
Being at the top of a food chain without a wide and stable base is not my idea of smarter/sustainable living.
JJ
If I had to justify my need for a truck, I would be drivin a Toyota, but thankfully I don't have too.
Regardless, we need to be good stewards of the land (no matter how small the spill,landfill, etc,), we need to decrease our impact on the natural world.
I think that what infuriates most folks (and me) sensitive to eco concerns is the feeling that more farmland, forest, what have you is being exposed to development of some type, so we object to it redardless of what the alternatives are.
Like many other industries, the oil industry has benefitted by our government over the years, I think it Bass Ackwards to continue this and develop a fragile area, before fully commiting to more sustainable technologies.
Being at the top of a food chain without a wide and stable base is not my idea of smarter/sustainable living.
JJ
Re: Oil Spill
I do!... did it for six years... . got the zoomies to prove it
<400mR lifetime
I do!... did it for six years... . got the zoomies to prove it
<400mR lifetime
The fuel cells... if the core was decommissioned before the end of life they were re-used in another reactor... . the control rods can be used over and over again... . Cadmium lasts longer than Hafnium as a control rod. It is possible to re-enrich spent fuel, but it is expensive, so most of it ends up as Ammunition (depleted Uranium bullets), or it is placed in sealed containment or a reflecting pool for decay.
The cooling water is re-used (Controlled Pure Water) the nice thing about this is that since it already has a higher percentage of Deuterium it makes for a better moderator (less absorbed neutrons)
Once cooling water is filtered to get rid of the colloidial (sp) crud, it can be disposed up by normal means..... the main activated part of old filtered coolent is Tritium, which is commonly used in luminescant dial watches... . which as we know is not harmfull as long as it is encapsulated.
The cooling water is re-used (Controlled Pure Water) the nice thing about this is that since it already has a higher percentage of Deuterium it makes for a better moderator (less absorbed neutrons)
Once cooling water is filtered to get rid of the colloidial (sp) crud, it can be disposed up by normal means..... the main activated part of old filtered coolent is Tritium, which is commonly used in luminescant dial watches... . which as we know is not harmfull as long as it is encapsulated.
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It all comes to SE Idaho from the NAVY where I get to figure out how to deal with the possible fire safety issues involved. Burnin' the storage facilty down for it is somethin' we dont want to happen
DF wrote: "the only activated part of old coolent is Tritium"
I got a bit of that stuff on my gun sights
Don~
DF wrote: "the only activated part of old coolent is Tritium"
I got a bit of that stuff on my gun sights
Don~
Don, are there any openings out there with INEEL? Bechtel? FDH?
Cliff,
not sure of openings... . I am a contracted kinda guy. KINDA.
Civilian stuff for the gov. you know... you had some of us lackys on your subs right? I got on that old nuke sub first developed way back when. Before I was born. Fire protection extends into everty part of every thing. There was a small contract for portable fire extinguishers in the pool area and surrounding facilites. After an exhaustive background check I got the work. The DOE is not the greatest bunch to hang with. Too many guidelines to follow. I have arrived on site and waited all day to have an electrical circuit locked out by the electricians. By the time the thing is/was locked out the day was over. Terrible waste of funds.
I still call it the INEL. The extra E was added for the Environmental part of the name. Yeah right!
Lately things have been very mundane and boring for me. Im in Texas now and dont see me returning to Idaho for some time for work there. Im relagated to M occupancy fire protection design and the fun is gone. No excitement. Maybe some mining design work will pop up in central Idaho or areas.
If I had your background and training I would try for NEST to bring the excitement back in my life
Really good travel opportunities!!
Don~
not sure of openings... . I am a contracted kinda guy. KINDA.
Civilian stuff for the gov. you know... you had some of us lackys on your subs right? I got on that old nuke sub first developed way back when. Before I was born. Fire protection extends into everty part of every thing. There was a small contract for portable fire extinguishers in the pool area and surrounding facilites. After an exhaustive background check I got the work. The DOE is not the greatest bunch to hang with. Too many guidelines to follow. I have arrived on site and waited all day to have an electrical circuit locked out by the electricians. By the time the thing is/was locked out the day was over. Terrible waste of funds.
I still call it the INEL. The extra E was added for the Environmental part of the name. Yeah right!
Lately things have been very mundane and boring for me. Im in Texas now and dont see me returning to Idaho for some time for work there. Im relagated to M occupancy fire protection design and the fun is gone. No excitement. Maybe some mining design work will pop up in central Idaho or areas.
If I had your background and training I would try for NEST to bring the excitement back in my life
Really good travel opportunities!!
Don~
NEST?
What is NEST?
yeah, there is way too much red tape with the DOE, and NRC for my tastes (NR is the worst
)
Isn't this thread supposed to be about oil spills?
Well, when I was installing my new fuel system, I pumped . 5 gallons of fuel out of the filter purge line. I cleaned it up by soaking it up with a rag. I threw the rag in the trash, and sprayed Castrol Super Clean on the remaining fuel and hosed it into the grass.
I call that an ecologically frendly cleanup!
What is NEST?
yeah, there is way too much red tape with the DOE, and NRC for my tastes (NR is the worst
)Isn't this thread supposed to be about oil spills?
Well, when I was installing my new fuel system, I pumped . 5 gallons of fuel out of the filter purge line. I cleaned it up by soaking it up with a rag. I threw the rag in the trash, and sprayed Castrol Super Clean on the remaining fuel and hosed it into the grass.
I call that an ecologically frendly cleanup!
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Cliff,
Nuclear Emergency Search Team.
With your age, background, interests and physical abilties i. e. motorcross, etc you could be good at this job.
Travel is moderate to heavy and the excitement is top notch.
Of course if you get the job you cant us you did. Or anyone for that matter. The DOE has a few cool jobs left. Wish I was not so dern old (34)
Don~
edit- the job or team is not real BTW
Nuclear Emergency Search Team.
With your age, background, interests and physical abilties i. e. motorcross, etc you could be good at this job.
Travel is moderate to heavy and the excitement is top notch.
Of course if you get the job you cant us you did. Or anyone for that matter. The DOE has a few cool jobs left. Wish I was not so dern old (34)
Don~
edit- the job or team is not real BTW
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mae culpa
Cool. Shows you how much we Mechanical Engineers know about the atomic stuff. My bills are paid from people burning natural gas, so you see where my bias is.
My fault for getting off topic, I'm new the whole posting thing. By the way, while we are off topic, have you heard of the new element recently discovered?
The heaviest element known to science was recently discovered by researchers at the University of Fulchester. The element, tentatively named Administratium, has no protons or electrons and thus has an atomic number of 0. However, it does have 1 neutron, 125 assistant neutrons, 75 vice neutrons and 111 assistant vice neutrons. This gives it an atomic mass of 312. These 312 particles are held together by a force that involves the continuous exchange of meson-like particles called morons.
Since it has no electrons, Administratium is inert. However, it can be detected chemically as it impedes every reaction it comes in contact with. According to the discoverers, a minute amount of Administratium caused one reaction to take over four days to complete when it would have normally occurred in less than one second. Administratium has a normal half-life of approximately three years, at which time it does not actually decay but instead undergoes a reorganization in which assistant neutrons, vice neutrons and assistant vice neutrons exchange places. Some studies have shown that the atomic mass actually increases after each reorganization.
Research at other laboratories indicates that Administratium occurs naturally in the atmosphere. It tends to concentrate at certain points such as government agencies, large corporations and universities and can usually be found in the newest, best appointed and best maintained buildings.
Scientists point out that Administratium is known to be toxic at any level of concentration and can easily destroy any productive reaction where it is allowed to accumulate. Attempts are being made to determine how Administratium can be controlled to prevent irreversible damage, but results to date are not promising.
Cool. Shows you how much we Mechanical Engineers know about the atomic stuff. My bills are paid from people burning natural gas, so you see where my bias is.
My fault for getting off topic, I'm new the whole posting thing. By the way, while we are off topic, have you heard of the new element recently discovered?
The heaviest element known to science was recently discovered by researchers at the University of Fulchester. The element, tentatively named Administratium, has no protons or electrons and thus has an atomic number of 0. However, it does have 1 neutron, 125 assistant neutrons, 75 vice neutrons and 111 assistant vice neutrons. This gives it an atomic mass of 312. These 312 particles are held together by a force that involves the continuous exchange of meson-like particles called morons.
Since it has no electrons, Administratium is inert. However, it can be detected chemically as it impedes every reaction it comes in contact with. According to the discoverers, a minute amount of Administratium caused one reaction to take over four days to complete when it would have normally occurred in less than one second. Administratium has a normal half-life of approximately three years, at which time it does not actually decay but instead undergoes a reorganization in which assistant neutrons, vice neutrons and assistant vice neutrons exchange places. Some studies have shown that the atomic mass actually increases after each reorganization.
Research at other laboratories indicates that Administratium occurs naturally in the atmosphere. It tends to concentrate at certain points such as government agencies, large corporations and universities and can usually be found in the newest, best appointed and best maintained buildings.
Scientists point out that Administratium is known to be toxic at any level of concentration and can easily destroy any productive reaction where it is allowed to accumulate. Attempts are being made to determine how Administratium can be controlled to prevent irreversible damage, but results to date are not promising.
WOW, that does sound cool... . a Nuke Spook so to speak
where do I sign up?
Well, I sent a soft copy of my resume to the DOE, and either I will not hear anything, or I will get a cease and desist order.
I found some good info on them..... NEST has total jurisdiction over and "incident" according the the "directive".
Hmmm looks like I may have found my calling... if I can find them.
I found some good info on them..... NEST has total jurisdiction over and "incident" according the the "directive".
Hmmm looks like I may have found my calling... if I can find them.
I wish I could say a little more. I feel you would fit right in.
KNowlege of firearms, motorcross, nuclear, etc you could do this.
Education wise in this department I would be a liability. The other departments I would be an asset.
These guys are not what many think. Oh yeah, they are not really real. I almost forgot.
Don~
KNowlege of firearms, motorcross, nuclear, etc you could do this.
Education wise in this department I would be a liability. The other departments I would be an asset.
These guys are not what many think. Oh yeah, they are not really real. I almost forgot.
Don~
Hmmm, well, I do not have an actual Degree... . just a ton of "useless" knowlege that is currently going to waste at my current job.
Oh yeah, they are not really real.
I see that. I wish there was a way to contact someone. Looks like it is all indirect referral and recruitment.
me4osu,
You stated, "Small time lease operators and the media tend to give oil production the appearance as environmentally unsound. The Lemmings in America, that believe everything they see on TV or in newspapers, see this and think the whole industry is full of people who derive great pleasure from polluting the environment. This mentality follows right along with the history of liberal idealists who (for instance) protest the un-ethical treatment of beef cattle, walk to their leather upholstered Lexus in their leather strapped Birkenstocks and drive to Wendy's for a double with Biggie fries".
Your above statement got me to wondering?
Are you a Lemming? Do you believe everything you see on TV, or read in the newspapers?
Do you believe there is oil is Arctic Refuge as reported in the media? The presence of oil is speculation. The place hasn't been drilled on an exploratory basis. The geology is "favorable" for the presence of oil.
Do you believe that this supposed oil will reduce our dependence on foreign oil as reported in the media? Even if you use the industries inflated estimates it only provides a six month supply of our nations needs. Plus much of Alaska's oil is exported.
Do you believe Secretary of the Interior Gale Norton when she lied to congress about the environmental impacts of oil development at Prudhoe Bay?
Did you know that the Clinton Administration open more public land for oil development in Alaska that did his predecessors Bush Sr. or Reagan?
Do your homework and read this.
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/science/9808/06/alaska.oil/index.html
This area is actually known to contain oil and a small percentage of the area is already producing oil. British Petroleum recently stated they were not going to be developing or exploring new reserves in the area (NPR-A) due to low world wide oil prices. Golly... ..... that sure rids us of this energy crisis that Bush claims we have.
Most pro-pollutionists are too narrow minded, short sighted, closed mind, and tunnel visioned to acknowledge that drilling in ANWR won't solve our energy problems. They are resistant to change. Do you still believe the world is flat?
You stated, "Small time lease operators and the media tend to give oil production the appearance as environmentally unsound. The Lemmings in America, that believe everything they see on TV or in newspapers, see this and think the whole industry is full of people who derive great pleasure from polluting the environment. This mentality follows right along with the history of liberal idealists who (for instance) protest the un-ethical treatment of beef cattle, walk to their leather upholstered Lexus in their leather strapped Birkenstocks and drive to Wendy's for a double with Biggie fries".
Your above statement got me to wondering?
Are you a Lemming? Do you believe everything you see on TV, or read in the newspapers?
Do you believe there is oil is Arctic Refuge as reported in the media? The presence of oil is speculation. The place hasn't been drilled on an exploratory basis. The geology is "favorable" for the presence of oil.
Do you believe that this supposed oil will reduce our dependence on foreign oil as reported in the media? Even if you use the industries inflated estimates it only provides a six month supply of our nations needs. Plus much of Alaska's oil is exported.
Do you believe Secretary of the Interior Gale Norton when she lied to congress about the environmental impacts of oil development at Prudhoe Bay?
Did you know that the Clinton Administration open more public land for oil development in Alaska that did his predecessors Bush Sr. or Reagan?
Do your homework and read this.
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/science/9808/06/alaska.oil/index.html
This area is actually known to contain oil and a small percentage of the area is already producing oil. British Petroleum recently stated they were not going to be developing or exploring new reserves in the area (NPR-A) due to low world wide oil prices. Golly... ..... that sure rids us of this energy crisis that Bush claims we have.
Most pro-pollutionists are too narrow minded, short sighted, closed mind, and tunnel visioned to acknowledge that drilling in ANWR won't solve our energy problems. They are resistant to change. Do you still believe the world is flat?
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me4osu:
What you said in your first post. I'm one of those too. In fact I am okie enough to interpret your sig as you're for OSU,right?
I may be running across you at some point I'm going on a project for Fluor to take care of TXUs rehab program.
Diesel Freak:
DOT, Office of Pipeline Safety is recruiting. Pay ain't all that great but it's steady and good benefits. Don't think Bechtel has much going on. Drop me a personal note and tell me what you're looking at and I'll check around the Houston Area.
me4osu, maybe be can hook up sometime. I'm living in Sugarland.
Charley
What you said in your first post. I'm one of those too. In fact I am okie enough to interpret your sig as you're for OSU,right?
I may be running across you at some point I'm going on a project for Fluor to take care of TXUs rehab program.
Diesel Freak:
DOT, Office of Pipeline Safety is recruiting. Pay ain't all that great but it's steady and good benefits. Don't think Bechtel has much going on. Drop me a personal note and tell me what you're looking at and I'll check around the Houston Area.
me4osu, maybe be can hook up sometime. I'm living in Sugarland.
Charley
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