Amsoil 5-30HD

[Sled Puller]

Originally posted by Don M

Several people have complained about the misting from the breather tube being a problem for them.

I remember reading it in the past and that being part of my decision to not use the thin stuff. When I ordered Amsoil I ordered the 15/40.







Don~

Way to go Don!!



Don's SEVERAL PEOPLE are TWO. And a half!!

jsimpson, John, and a maybe by V. Mckenzie, he was not sure.





Same guys on each thread.

Who also state they are having good luck with the 15W-40.



And guess what?



I did NOT post on any of them, like I was accused of doing a few posts back.





Nice misleading wording Don.

 

[Don M]

Ive found it difficult to have a differing opinion on the 'end all' oil from Wisconsin. Oh Well, at least I dont have to go around and post on nearly every oil related thread in defense of my product and the problems it has caused some guys.



I only found a few threads in the quick search. Maybe you should go a look at a few yourself. We still have 9 people that had leaks in the "cheezball polls" and Im sure there are plenty who are just plain tired of posting about any troubles from amsoil as well. Everytime someone does they get slammed to the ground from yourself or other Amsoilers.

Gene, IMO you push more people away from your product with your demeanor and actions on this board when it comes to oil than you pull in. I had a real complaint about leaks and got the same treatment you gave jsimpson. You tried the same tricks on him as you did me.

First, you deny the probelm is real and then you make it seem like its insignificant or not in any way due to the 'end all' oil.

you asked him the asme questions as you asked me. "why does my truck not leak" or "Well, let me ask you this:

What should a company do that has its product in thousands of the same engines, same application, and nobody else is having this problem?"

Both of those are the same things you said to me when I reported troubles from the oil.

Everyone gets the same treatment.

Another thing that bothers me is that Cummins does not even recommend using a 5w30 oil in a B engine and Amsoil told jsimpson to "pound sand" when he asked to be refunded or even better yet for Amsoil just replace the oil with 15w/40.



Thats what I call real good customer service. First tell a guy he should use an oil thats not the correct viscosity and then when it mists out tell him no refund or the problem does not exist for thousands of other customers, it must not be true. He lives in Florida Gene. Not ND. He even said he switched back to 15w/40 and the problem went away. What else do you need to believe the guy? What else does Amsoil need? Wonder what would have happened if I have lost an engine on Amsoil and called the technical department with my problem? If they wont replace the oil of the incorrect viscosity then getting an engine may be impossible.



Don~

 

[Sled Puller]

I do believe jsimpson.



I didnot realize how old his truck was. I stated I would have given his money back.



Synthetics can't be thrown willy nilly wherever you want to put them, you have to qualify the component, as well as the driver/owner.



Like an engine that is old and leaking with bad seals, or an engine that has seals installed incorrectly--wrong place for synthetics.



You, on the other hand, I question if you ever even bought Amsoil in the first place, I think that is why you won't try to get your money back.



Keep in mind I offered to buy your By-Pass and help you get a refund from Amsoil.

You refused.

You are more happy complaining than fixing problems.

You did not even buy it from me.

Now that is customer service.



Gene

 

[Don M]

Gene,



In your defense you did offer to buy the by-pass filter set-up from me. Thanks. Im still not decided on how I want to pursue the refund process.



For the 4th or 5th time now. I did buy and use Amsoil. Remember the post you pointed out I made about me being happy to have had Amsoil in my truck? Remember the oil analysis I posted on wear rates from Blackstone? You found the post in the archives and tried to use it against me in an earlier thread.

Yes I purchased universal ATF, 2 cases of 15w/40 oil, by-pass set-up, and 8 quarts of 75/140 axle lube. Close to 6 or 7 hundred bucks if I recall.



We should not need to go into marginal or improperly installed seals. The seals were all stock and were never leaking until the Amsoil was installed. The engine seals were the stockers from the get go. I do have lots of miles on the truck. 200k on it now.

I have replaced the front main seal and the front timing cover gaskets and have the oil leaks up front stopped. Now I have to get to the injection pump to block seal dealt with.

I still have the universal ATF in my transfer case and the rear output seal is still leaking away. I asked Hammer to come by a take a look at it on one of his trips to Texas if he wished to. This is part of my reason for not draining the ATF out of the transfer case yet.

The by-pass filter mounting adapter thingee leaked worse than anything. I see now there is a replacement custom piece made by a guy to deal with the leaking factory one. The base that you screw the filters to had to have a certain torque to keep them from leaking as well. It was all a serious pain in the butt to have to deal with. After dropping all that cash on a product or products i was slightly uptight. When I posted the troubles I had on the TDR I was doubted and slammed just like the others who have had any hint of a negative comment. Like I said earlier, "its hard to have a differing opinion of the 'end all' oil from Wisconsin" on the TDR.



When and if I decided to have you warrant my filter for me or whatever I will let you know. At this time I feel the responsibility is Amsoils and not yours. Once again I thank you for your stepping up to the plate on at least the by-pass filter troubles.



jsimpson has an out because he was told to use an oil of incorrect viscosity for his warm region. Florida does not need a 5w/30 oil and since his blowby troubles were from the thinner oils , Amsoil should have at least given him replacement oil at a reduced cost to Amsoil rather than a refund. He was happy to use Amsoil 15w/40. Amsoil had a different idea though. "Pound Sand"

His engine was an worn out old thing. It was a 70,000 miler. I would hardly call it old. Maybe in years , but years dont wear piston rings, miles or hours do. It should not matter too much how old but how worn it is. John in the threads above has had the misting problem too and his engine is/was very new an not worn out. How do you explain that?



Don~

 

[NVR FNSH]

Originally posted by Sled Puller



Synthetics can't be thrown willy nilly wherever you want to put them, you have to qualify the component, as well as the driver/owner.

Gene

Now I have to be qualified to purchase/use Amsoil? I'm sure Mercedes & Calloway Corvette determine if the buyers of their cars are qualified to operate equipment with synthetic oil... .

Originally posted by Sled Puller

... or an engine that has seals installed incorrectly--wrong place for synthetics.

Gene

Please explain to me why an engine/trans/rear end/etc that has worked just fine w/o leaking for 70k miles with dino oil and 'incorrectly installed seals' would start leaking after changing to a synthetic product.



[soap box mode on]

Gene, you need to capitulate and admit that some of Amsoils products are not API licensed. End of story. You're making yourself look foolish trying to argue an opinion. The oil is not API certified and DC/Cummins requires the use of API licensed oil for warranty coverage.



Don M, you've made your point - thank you. You've pointed out factual data and educated the 'public' about Amsoil & API licensing.



Please take the refund issue off line.



[off the soap box]



Brian

 

[Sled Puller]

No Brian, any synthetic. You have to use common sense with any product you choose to buy.



I do understand that CERTAIN Amsoil products are not certified, as I always have, just like QUITE a few other MAIN STREAM OILS on the shelf.

Check 'em out.

Read 'em and weep.



Not once have I told people they were all certified.



If you feel you MUST have a certified oil, we have them.

If you want top of the line, as in EXCEEDS API specs, we have those too.



Those seals had to be seeping and were not noticed before, sorry.

If an oil eats seals, it does not just pick Dons truck, it gets every one. Common sense comes into play there again.



Don's factual data ended with this statement. "Some Amsoil oils are not API certified. "



99% of the rest of it is stories based on some truth. Don't kid yourself on his "factual data". Read a little youreslf, Brian, READ. Not skipping over it.



Nobody told anybody to "POUND SAND. "

 

[Don M]

Gene, MGM, Sled Puller,



Regarding my seals and leaks I assert were caused from Amsoil. My search for reasons why oils could cause seal leaks has lead me to a person from Exxon. A fella that has been a research scientist for years with them on oils and additive packages. Now as a director of R&D at Lubrication Science in New Jersey. He has written about additives in oils and how some of the additives are or can cause seal leaks from otherwise perfect seals.

He writes "The diesels get bigger doses of the additives; up to 80 percent more ZDDP, and 30 to 50 percent more detergent, dispersant, and corrosion inhibitors.



The bad news: There's a very small chance, he says, that nitrogen compounds in the high dose of dispersant may cause some seals to leak. Moreover, if you've never used a detergent oil before, you may wash chunks of sludge loose that could plug a hydraulic lifter or such.



He also states the extended drain interval oils can contain more of these compounds even still.

This is the best explaination I have been given so far about why my seals began to leak. He says the manufacturers all try to change polymers to fight back the seal destruction these oil types have been docemented to cause. His words were something like the oil seals have tried to evolve around the additive packages.



Now, in my little poll where 9 others have had leaks other than me were reported, I may be onto something here. The nitrogen compounds could be the problem. If the nitrogen compounds are lower in the Rotella dino oil than they are in the Amsoil I will feel the Amsoil was in fact the culprit of my leaks.



Don~

 

[Sled Puller]

Hey Don,

Go pound sand! LMFAO!



Hey, you already have stated that the you are sure Amsoil caused your leaks, so what is the difference?



Did you flush the engine before the switch?



My 1973 Fiat Oliver was flushed and filled with Amsoil, 2years ago,no leaks. 27 years on 15-40 dino oil, You would think something that old would have had a leak, wouldn't you?





I think you should go to Amsoil tech services instead of every other oil company, and get the answers you seek from them.

 

[Don M]

Gene,



Another guy by the name of jsimpson went to amsoil tech services and he was told to purchase a thinner than recommend oil for his engine. He lived in Florida and needed the thinner oil like a hole in the head. I dont think Amsoil tech services could help me either. If told them my seals leaked they would prolly just freak on me.

No, I did not use a motor flush. I personally have had a problem with a motor or engine flush in the past. Besides my oil was super clean when I drained it. As well as my crankcase from changing my oil all the time.

The reason I wanted to try and show the reasons for the seal faliures was because you and others did not believe me the seals actually ever leaked. You still dont I can see because I have been told again about another vehicle you own that does not leak from Amsoil.

I want to show scientifically the additive package in Amsoil can cause seals to leak. Show it with facts and data. You refuse to believe the oil is at fault. I think it was.



Don~

 

[Sled Puller]

I see your not done bashing yet.



When you are ready for help, try tech services, ask for Darren.



jsimpson just lectured about that assuming bit, you should have listened too.

 

[Don M]

Where did I bash the product at? I was not bashing Amsoil. I told you what I thought about tech services telling jsimpson and I feel they were wrong in their recommendations. Not a bash at all.

Florida climates do not require a 5w/30 oil for a cummins engine.

Actually the exact oposite and the thicker oil would be better,IMO.



Assumptions can serve us well if applied in the right amounts.

I assume things everyday and it helps me to make decisions.

I assume that Amsoil tech services may give me some bad advice since they did so to jsimpson and since I have a problem with their product. That would not be an unreasonable assumtion to me.



Don~

 

[jsimpson]

Amsoil

Sled Puller, I'll end my contribution to this thread with one last observation:

You've done more to destroy Amsoil's credibility through your comments on this thread than anyone I've ever seen or heard. Before this thread got started, I was a twenty-year, died-in-the-wool Amsoil dealer, user, and believer. Sure, I've found applications where other products worked better; that will happen with any product (Allison transmissions in 1 ton trucks!). But your head-in-the-sand, "Amsoil is the world's only perfect product" attitude has me seriously doubting many of Amsoil's claims. I'm beginning to believe that Amsoil has the same attitude that you do, namely, "the customer is always wrong unless he agrees with me. "

I switched my Vette over to Mobil1 with good results (Chevy seems to be satisfied with Mobil1's seal performance, seeing how they fill and recommend refills with Mobil1 ), and at considerable savings. Given Amsoil's recommendations regarding extended oil changes and TDR contributors' findings regarding contaminants in extended oil changes, I can change synthetic twice as often with Mobil1 as I can with Amsoil. Maybe after twenty years of sending Amsoil a dealership fee once a year and paying twice what the competition charges for synthetics, this will be my last year. I'm afraid the limitations of multi-level marketing might not have allowed Amsoil to stay on top of synthetics development now that the big boys have been in the game for a few years.

signing off from this thread and Amsoil,

-john

 

[John]

Originally posted by JohnE

John T of the NWBombers has posted many many times of his trials and treibelations with synthetic oils. He too switched from AMSOIL 5W-30 back to 15W-40 due to the <em>misting</em> from the vent tube.

"treibelations", that was a good one JohnE. :-laf:-laf:-laf:-laf



I just noticed this thread. Frankly, after the first page I just about gave up wanting to read anymore! I'm sorry but, the constant badgering by DonM on EVERY oil related thread has me looking elsewhere! I don't really care if he's slamming Amsoil (even though I'm a "dealer"), I only started using it because Red Line 15W-40 synthetic was not providing me with the kind of oil analysis results I thought I should have received with an oil costing as much as it did. I have been using the very best in quality synthetics for over 20 years now, many of the names DonM has probably never even heard of... and I also don't give a RA what he uses in his Ram... if you don't like synthetics, don't use them! I also know that Amsoil's Diesel synthetic engine lubricants are not approved by the API... again, I don't really care. I have also seen many products that were not UL approved... all excellent products (by small companies), but the manufacturers did not want to jump through all the UL hoops and associated co$t$, only to find the product would have to be retested and reapproved by UL (again at great co$t to the manufacturer) for the sake of being able to enhance a product. Also, I would suspect that everyone concerned with API's approval/blessing in their oil selection would also not have modified their Cummins TD engine until after their 100k warranty expired.



I have undisputed proof in the form of oil analysis results (from a neutral party analyzer) that both Amsoil 15W-40 HDD&M and 5W-30 HDD work extremely well. BTW, there were many on this BB that felt the K&N air filters were garbage too..... all I can say is I have received excellent silicon numbers in all my analysis reports. I have used K&N air filters for many, many years, understand how to properly clean and oil them and have never experienced any problems with them. That said, I still have two new Amsoil air filters in my garage so I'll probably install one of them when I install my trick new Air Bulldog intake components.



In several previous oil related threads I stated I had switched back to Amsoil 15W-40 Heavy-Duty Diesel & Marine from their 5W-30 HDD synthetic. The reason was twofold; first, since I personally like changing my oil at 10k intervals (changing the full flow and bypass filters at the same time), in conjunction with the reduced blowby evident from the oil draft tube (when the engine has been warmed to operating temperature), I found it was actually a few dollars cheaper (at Amsoil dealer prices) to go with this oil change interval as opposed to using a 20k interval using 5W-30 HDD with a full flow filter change at 10K, changing the full and bypass filters at 20k. Of course, samples were always taken and submitted to Blackstone Laboratories at all filter and/or oil change intervals.



To reiterate on the subject of misting from my blowby tube while using Amsoil 5W-30 HDD, the misting wasn't really all that bad... I would rather not see it however, after crunching numbers, I found the 15W-40 HDD&M to be my best choice, solving two minor problems quite effectively.



DonM :-{} anybody else wanting to have a civil discussion on the topic of lubricants