Amsoil hyposcrisy for profit now using hydrocracked base stocks

[Diesel Freak]

Woo Hoo got a sixer on ice!

 

[drawson]

Don, Been to quiet around here for you I see. Trying to get Sled Puller all riled up again aye???

I for one don't care what they do to that oil. I don't run it. It's gasser oil.

 

[CAROLINA CUMMINS]

Conklin Products

This doesnt have to do with amsoil, but it is oil. I use Conklin

Synthetic 15w-40 and have no problems. This oil has been the only oil used in my truck since 1991. I change it every 7,000

to 9,000 miles when my grandpa used to own it he didn't change it but every 11, or 12,000 miles and it has not had any adverse wear on thengine, This is NOT a plug for Conklin, but My

own personal experience. I don't really care about amsoil or castrol or Mobil!! I say every man use what he thinks best for HIS

truck or any vehicle.







Thanks, Steve

 

[Don M]

I seem to remember the oil guys saying things like Castrol was "overpriced junk" and "the price of Castrol should be half what it is now" and so on.



Where are they now that Amsoil has decided to use a hydrocracked base stock for their XL7500? Could we call it "overpriced junk" too? Oh yeah Amsoil did drop the price 20 cents a quart What a deal. For 20 cents less you get a hydrocracked oil and not the famous fully synthetic base stock of Amsoil's.



Can we also say the 20 cents is about what the fully synthetic oil is worth over the hydrocracked stuff? Now, who is gouging who here?



Don~

 

[Bob Riley]

There's the twisting you are so good at. You are assuming the base oils are identical. If the base stock costs more, wouldn't you expect it to cost more to buy?



Lets compare the XL line to any other Base III oils and see just how much more money it's worth. Not even in the same ballpark.



Bob

 

[Don M]

Originally posted by drawson

Don, Been to quiet around here for you I see. Trying to get Sled Puller all riled up again aye???

I for one don't care what they do to that oil. I don't run it. It's gasser oil.

Yep, its gasser oil Dee. Now it is 20 cents a quart cheaper too. WOW!!



Were is that Sled Puller?? I know he must have read this thread.

He was the one who was saying the Castrol was overpriced junk because it was hydrocracked. Gene, could we fairly apply the term of endearment you gave Castrol to an Amsoil product now?

I think so!!



Don~

 

[Bob Riley]

Don, you obviously have an issue with Gene, not Amsoil, or you would address me. If you wish to pick a fight, take it to email, but your blatent addressing of Gene to come out and argue is a personal issue and should be left off the site.

Bob

 

['956Wheel]

If that stuff is so super then why do they resort to a mickey mouse marketing, pyramid scam rather than a more serious approach. Their juice is pricey enough to support a more realistic distribution network then these TUPPERWARE PARTIES that we witness here on the site.



You don't always get what you paid for!



Mike



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[Don M]

Originally posted by Bob Riley

There's the twisting you are so good at. You are assuming the base oils are identical. If the base stock costs more, wouldn't you expect it to cost more to buy?



Lets compare the XL line to any other Base III oils and see just how much more money it's worth. Not even in the same ballpark.



Bob

So, which is it? The old XL7500 fully synthetic base stock was not that good to begin with so the price reflects it OR now that Amsoil has decided to go with a hydrocracked base oil for one of its products it is now OK to do so and charge a lot of money for doing so like the other oil companies were doing?



Don~

 

[Bob Riley]

That's been answered before many times.

When Amsoil started ,they were the first to market an API liscenced synthetic oil for cars. In those days, people thought synthetic meant "fake oil". It was very difficult to sell. So, MLM was very popular and they took that approach so seelers could be more educated to sell it to their customers. Auto parts store's employeess had no idea why i was more money, so it sat on shelves.

Now, 30 years later, you wish them to stab all the dealers who got it started in the back? That's some good loyalty and ideals you wish for, huh? Not what I'd respect them for.

Bob

 

[Bob Riley]

Don ,you know enough about oil to know much of the cost is in the additive package of an oil. Also, the XL was our less expensive oil to begin with. They didn't want to use a BAse III but were forced to, so they used the absolute best base stocks they could use to get as close to the properties of their old XL line. Remember, they never wanted to downgrade their oil, so the cost difference reflects the difference in cost to them.



There are some really good Base IIIs and some that don't even perform as good as Base IIs of other copanies. The type oil has no bearing on the cost. For instancee, look at LE, they use petro oil and are more expensive than most syns, would you call THEM overpriced junk? I think not.

Bob

 

['956Wheel]

HUH:-{}

 

[Don M]

Remember the term "overpriced junk" was not mine to begin with



How could Amsoil be forced to use a group III oil?



I seem to remember you being one of the guys last year saying that Amsoil constantly tweaked their oil for better performance. Would you consider the tweaking of the XL7500 for the better?



Further, you are saying the XL7500 fully synthetic base stocks were only worth 20 cents more per quart than the hydrocracked base stocks that Castrol and others were offering? 20 cents?



I thought the reasons I was always given for the higher price of Amsoil was the super duper fully synthetic base stocks costing a lot of money when compared to hydrocracked or dino oils. It looks like it was about 20 cents worth of difference from here.



Don~

 

[Cummins Corvette]

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[Bob Riley]

I've answered the forced issue. Read my replies.



The rest I should just give you a shovel... . for your digging.

Bob

 

[Don M]

Bob,



Looking at the Amsoil web site shows the XL7500 to be a synthetic oil. The very bottom of the bottle reads the words " THE FIRST IN SYNTHETICS" Do you think that Amsoil is doing the same thing that Castrol was? Would a customer at the Quicky Lube place know the oil was group III by reading that? Nope!



http://www.amsoil.com/products/xlm.html



Looks like Amsoil is hydrocracking some Quicky Lube customers by reducing the cost by 20 cents less than the super duper fully synthetic base stocks of yesterday.



Don~

 

[Bob Riley]

In a way yes, but do you really think most people know what a base III oil is anyway? Since all their competition has coined the term synthetic, using base III hydrocracket petro would assume lower quality, wouldn't it.



And no one is being decieved. If you beleive customors of these lube shops are being decieved, then all oil companies are guilty if this. Let's face it, hydrocracketed oil is termed sysnthetic whether we like it or not.



Personally, I would rather see it labeled as what it is for every co. But since I nor Amsoil make the rules, we can only play by them.

Bob

 

[Don M]

Ok, so the "rules" of calling another oil that is hydrocracked like the Castrol "overpriced junk" DO apply to the new XL7500 that has been "tweaked for performance" with a hydrocracked base stock?



The XL7500 is now officially "overpriced junk" according to "the rules"



I cant believe the Amsoil corporation decided to stick-it to you salesman that have for years been telling us all how much better the fully synthetic base stocks are when compared to the hydrocracked stuff. What will sell the oil now? Oh, I forgot the consumer wont know its a group III base oil anyway cuz the bottle still reads "synthetic"



Don~

 

[Cummins Corvette]

I really have no idea what the spiffy termanology means, but Don's logic seems sound.



Hey Don- are you a lawyer by chance?

 

[Riflesmith]

Bob Riley,

You are wasting your time arguing. He will have the last word because he will outlast everyone else on this site in his relentless campaign against a company he thinks wronged him.



... ... . let him rant. It should be entertaining!



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