Amsoil Synthetic does NOT meet DC specs?

[Sled Puller]

Re: Re: Does this help? From the Amsoil corporate website

Originally posted by NVR FNSH





Legit question -



How does Amsoil determine that it's ATF meets ALL those specs? Brian

Brian,

EXCELLENT question.



Do us all a favor, go to Amsoil.com and click on contact tech services and ask them that question.



You and Gary could have a direct link then. Take us users right out of the equation.



I have a 5 speed anyway, with 130,000 HARD miles, no leaks. I was just trying to help the original poster out with info he asked for.

 

[Riflesmith]

Brian,

It wasn't me that brought up the API. I also was not aware that you started or controlled the content of this thread. I'll respond to what I decide to respond to. I have many oil analysis results that prove I am getting superior protection compared to API certified oils. I was simply responding to the same tired old "if it isn't API certified, it must be crap" argument. This is simply nonsense. The API protects the auto companies more than it helps the consumer.

 

[fest3er]

Just a short note requesting that we all keep this thread civil, friendly and technical. Ye've done pretty well so far; let's stay on track!

So before you click that 'submit' button, review what you've written to be sure you are sharing information and helping us all to learn.

Just *once* I'd like to see a good, cool, informative oil thread. This one still has potential.

Fest3er

 

[SlyBones]

Originally posted by NVR FNSH

I don't believe the API ceritifies anything but engine oil - am I wrong? What is the 'governing' body for ATF, grease and gear oils? Brian

So how to any of them prove it? If there is no certification, then we are just trusting no matter which one we pick. which I assume means if gary has an auto, there is no transmission fluid in it

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

TCH TCH TCH!



Now girls, REMEMBER:



Address ISSUES - leave PERSONALITIES *OUT* of yer comments - we'll ALL get along MUCH better thataway!



"I was simply responding to the same tired old "if it isn't API certified, it must be crap" argument. "





UMMmmmm 'scuse me - *I* didn't see, or SAY anything like that up above!



What I *did* say, was that I wish Amsoil WAS API certified, cuz *I* am pretty sure it's good stuff - just not sure how DC would respond to warranty issues if they found it to have been used in a failed transmission - and they DO fail sometimes regardless of WHAT lube is in them!



Wouldn't have any qualms about using Amsoil's stuff after warranty runs out - on the other hand, my warranty is ALREADY down the tubes on the Cummins as soon as I get the Edge Comp install by the end of the week, so..... In for a penny, in for a pound?



JUST because some of have ongoing, legitimate questions about products, DOESN'T necessarily mean we think it's junk or snakeoil... NOR does it make us enemies of those who DO like and use it!



But truthfully, *I* strongly suspect that approaching Amsoil techs directly with questions will probably result in a vast, white, snow job! I mean, what ARE they likely to say "yeah, I guess our stuff is OK, but ya might like Pennzoils stuff a little better... "

 

[GLASMITHS]

API Certification

That is correct. API applies only to engine oil. However, there is a spec for all libes; and your owners manual will list them. If the lube in question does not come up to the factory spec they they could deny a claim.



Not fueling any flames , how can any transmission fluid be universal, in that it complies with both ATF+3 AND +4 One is much slippery than the other.

 

[JohnE]

SAE and ASTM set the viscosity, wear, detergent, and anti-foam levels for most hydraulic fluids and lubricating fluids. Individual OEMS such as GM, Ford, Allison, Cummins, Chrylser-Daimler, etc. are free to create their own requirements.



API sets other requirements including maximum additive levels required to produce these viscosity, wear, detergency, ... . requirements.



It is up to the responsible producer to provide qualified products to the consumer that meet these requirements. Some do other do not.





What happened to the obligatory signature for all the AMSOIL dealers? They usually disappear first in these oil war threads.



-John

 

[DOWG]

What is interesting about this synthetic based lubricants vs. petroleum based lubricants is a basic mistrust of synthetics (i. e. "fake") Remember the resistance to "Plastic"? Look at your truck. I worked for Lubrication Engineers, Inc (LE) out of Fort Worth, Texas for several years and have a lot of experience with hands-on industrial application of lubricants (including oil analysis). Hands-on, not scienitifc based experience. I have seen LE gear oils (petroleum based) allow gear boxes run for years instead of days compared to traditional gear oil. I have seen LE air compressor oils (petroleum based) allow air compressors to run 20 to 40 degrees cooler than traditional ac oil. The synthetics (including Amsoil products) simply do the same thing for a longer period of time and can withstand higher temperatures (oxidation resistance) and water (emulsification resistance). Oil does not break down (does splitting atoms ring a bell?) (thats why we recycle oil) it simply oxidizes and emulsifies due to a breakdown of the additive package allowing heat, water and oxygen to form sludge. Synthetics are manufactured and sold because they last longer and lubricate better than petroleum based products. No other reasons. Period.



All of the "quote" expensive "exotic" lubricants are of far better quality than Mobil, Shell, Exxon, Pennzoil, etc. , primarily due to the additive packages. The resistance comes from the common viewpoint "you want how much for a quart of this stuff?"



Mobil 1 is an excellent lubricant.



I use Amsoil cause I can drive over to Arlington and pick it up right now. It might be better than LE, might not. But the quality of both is so much better than the traditional lubricants available, it doesn't matter in the Dodge Ram Cummins Turbo Diesel application. Change your oil every 3,000 miles... ... ok, it works. Use synthetics and change it every 10,000... ... ... ok, it works. Three times the price, three times the drain interval (not including filters). You do the math.

 

[fest3er]

Originally posted by DOWG
... Oil does not break down (does splitting atoms ring a bell?) (thats why we recycle oil) it simply oxidizes and emulsifies due to a breakdown of the additive package allowing heat, water and oxygen to form sludge. ...

I deleted your fine points from before and after the above quote. To your point above, more happens to oil than *just* that. Would it be fair to say that:

• when oil oxidizes, it *is* breaking down, and
• when the lighter, more volatile components of oil evaporate, the oil's viscosity increases?

Fest3er

 

[DOWG]

Yes, it would be fair (reasonable) to say that when oil oxidizes it is breaking down... ... ..... because the additive package has failed by allowing heat, "dirt", water and oxygen to increase the viscosity (sludge) of the oil. Synthetic oils resist oxidation because they are synthetic (more homogenous) and do not have the more volatile components. They resist emulsification because they do not mix with water better than petroleum products and combined with the better (ppm) additive packages do so for a longer period of time.



I noticed you opted for the 225's which Rickson recommends for our trucks. Which Toyo's do you have and are you happy with them? I had a long conversation with Dan Richter today and I have tenatively settled on the 225/19. 5 Michelin XDE-MS. I have run the Bridgestone M-724F's for over 70,000 miles with plenty of tread left to go. However, I am spinning the tires on wet roads with serious hydro planing on rain soaked roads.



Steve Parker

Dallas, Texas

 

[DocStressor]

Volatilization of the lower molecular weight components of a base oil doesn't increase viscosity since this parameter is determined largely by the longest molecules contained in the solution. During the service life of an oil, the viscosity initially decreases as the result of mechanical shearing of the longest molecules and then increases as the result of oxidation. The later event only occurs after the additive package is depleted.

 

[Big_Daddy_T]

yeah, what he said.

 

[clem]

Originally posted by clem

Originally posted by dresslered

I was under the impression that even Amsoil was admitting that they did not meet specs for the 5-speed. I may be wrong. I lost the seals on my 5sp and took out the clutch. DC replaced the 5sp and clutch. When Igotmy truck back the service rep said don't put any more Amsoil in your truck. I have no idea how they knew Amsoil was in there?. So no more Amsoill

Is Amsoil good for auto trannys and not manuals???????

 

[fest3er]

Originally posted by DOWG
... I noticed you opted for the 225's which Rickson recommends for our trucks. Which Toyo's do you have and are you happy with them? I had a long conversation with Dan Richter today and I have tenatively settled on the 225/19. 5 Michelin XDE-MS. I have run the Bridgestone M-724F's for over 70,000 miles with plenty of tread left to go. However, I am spinning the tires on wet roads with serious hydro planing on rain soaked roads.

Steve Parker
Dallas, Texas

I got the Yokohama TY303. 65K miles and lots of tread left still. They've given me a great ride and great traction.

Unfortunately, the front tires were alwys feathering on me and getting loud. I finally dropped the front pressure down to 62 PSI, and the feathering is almost gone. I guess it helps having more of the weight on the outer ribs than on the inner blocks. *But*, traction isn't quite as good now, front or rear. So I will up the pressure to 65 front and 55 rear and see what *that* does!

All in all, I am quite happy with the tires and wheels. The truck runs and handles like a sports car. The tires have handled any load I've given them and they're happy to run 75-80 MPH all day long (unloaded, of course - loaded I'll reduce speed to 70 or less).

Fest3er