Amsoil transmission fluid?

[amsoilman]

Not a grudge, but dislike companies who play loose and fast with test results to the point of altering tests to get the results they want.



Lets face it, Amsoil is using the Four Ball Test improperly as was proven by Spectro-Oils.

Different grades of oil have different parameters for the 4-ball wear tests.

 

[john3976]

Different grades of oil have different parameters for the 4-ball wear tests.

Second, I have a problem with Amsoil’s use and method of the ASTM D 4172 test. The ASTM specifies that this test must be conducted at 75 deg. centigrade (167 F) + or - 2 degrees and a rotation speed of 1,200 RPM + or - 60 RPM for 60 minutes + or - 1 minute. Their tests are not to be subject to the user’s whims or needs, they are to be conducted only one way, within these specifications, regardless of whether the machine used can operate at different speeds and temperatures. The temperature required for this test is not to be changed and is obviously intended for transmission lubricating fluids, not engine oils, based on the required operating temperature. Amsoil, as quoted in their brochure G-391, says," Amsoil submitted four popular motorcycle oils to spectrographic analysis and Four-Ball Wear (ASTM D 4172) testing" but two paragraphs later say that, "Amsoil conducted the Four-Ball Wear Test at 302 F/ 150C , a significantly higher temperature…", and their chart actually says the tests were run at 1,800 RPM. I would like to know if Amsoil really sent these oils out for the ASTM D 4172 tests to an independent lab or if they conducted the test themselves, as they readily admit. I would be very suspicious of any result found and published by a manufacturer that does not follow strict ASTM guidelines and is conducted in such a way as to intentionally alter the ASTM results, as Amsoil has clearly done.

 

[DPKetchum]

Every INDEPENDENT test I've ever come across rated Amsoil as one of the best if not the best in the independent labs. I used their products from front to rear including wheel bearing grease in a rwd v8 Chevy for 250k. That included 25k oil and filters with the filter and top off every 6 months. Engine was SLUDGE FREE(timing chain/valve cover gaskets at 225k) 700r4 auto was flushed every 90k after intial fliud install at 30k. Only did trans filter TWICE. Very happy with their products. Sold that car last year and STILL see it on the road. Only MAJOR driveline repair was u/joints and timing chain. Plastic gear was falling apart,chain was loose etc. On our Merc. Gran Marquis V8 Rwd. It averaged low 23 to high 23 mpg almost every tank of fuel hiway cruise on 70 mph usually. Installed Amsoil products at 35k. Diff,Trans,Engine etc. It was a INSTANT mid 24 to a LOW 25mpg (which it still does at 63k) SO what accounted for THAT? Why does anyone with a auto trans temp gauge show a noticeable reduction in trans temp with with the use of Amsoil auto trans fliud? Why with Amsoil engine oil ANY oil usage is cut to a FRACTION of what it used with dino oil or even OTHER SYNS? I'm on about my 10th year with their products. Even have their hyd. oil in a New Holland tractor with a front end loader. Made everthing from hyds. to wet clutch,brakes work smoother in ALL tempsfrom the get go. It cost about $1 more per gallon then New Holland hyd. oil.

 

[Okey0]

And they were posts from the internet from competing companies of Amsoil and their reports don't seem to back up what Amsoil is claiming.

that makes sense - if i was an amsoil competitor, i don't think my add would say "we're not as good as amsoil, but we're trying!"



and then of course, there's the "if it's on the internet, it must be true" thing.



i think we can all agree, everyone has a preference for oil, almost like talking about religion or politics.

 

[john3976]

that makes sense - if i was an amsoil competitor, i don't think my add would say "we're not as good as amsoil, but we're trying!"



and then of course, there's the "if it's on the internet, it must be true" thing.



i think we can all agree, everyone has a preference for oil, almost like talking about religion or politics.

Like I said if Amsoil was really the one oil fits all like they claim, why would Mobil, Chevron, Specta-Oil, Royal Purple among others be attacked so blatantly by Amsoil?



These attacks are on Amsoil dealer web pages.



The specs have now been posted by Spectra-Oil regarding the proper use of the four ball test and it seems Amsoil has been caught red handed misusing that test and twisting it to suit their needs.



The four ball test is not even a test developed for motor oils, yet Amsoil is misusing it that way.



Sorry but Amsoil is just another snake oil that can't prove they are any better then any other brand and in fact it has now been PROVEN that the reason Amsoil is not API certified is due to to much of an additive that will harm the converters on vehicles, that means anyone with a 2005 and up Cummins would be foolish to even think of running the non API certified Amsoil products.



The Fact is Amsoil cannot pass the API certification tests due to impropper levels of an additive that harms converters. That is why Amsoil is not API certified, it has nothing to do with the cost, that has been nothing but a smoke screen by Amsoil.

 

[LArnold]

JOHN3976---well done to inform the forum readers w/ ALL that info was EXACTLY why most joined t. d. r. (at least me),to be educated,and collect info&opinions. i really enjoyed the lenthy fact-filled threads. and as far as amsoilman says"you have a grudge becouse you had the last six post". two things;1)somtimes people dont remember evything they wanted to say or write(2)amsoilman i was hpoing you would put up more facts&charts than "dont pick on amsoil" additude
thanks---LA


p. s. --if amsoil can be "succsesfully"ran in any motor,than why isnt shoved down our throats as consumers?