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Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) An injector install story

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Breaking the will of Mr. #6



This is a story about my first injector install. Those of you who have done this before probably know where this story is going despite the weird title. This is not a how-to about installing, though I may sneak in a few tips.



Over 2 months ago, I purchased a set of used Bosch RV275 injectors from a fellow TDR member. This seemed the perfect compliment to my used EZ. Where else can you get this much performance for $550 while keeping just shy of EGT and clutch issues!



Anywho, you may be wondering why it took me so long to get around to doing the job. It's like this; first of all it was a stealth project, in a spousal sort of way. So I needed a block of time alone, just me and the truck... And of course I needed the right tools for the job, there's nothing like it as the saying goes. An inch-lb torque wrench here and a stubby 19mm open-end wrench there and something for my seriously lacking confidence. Let me state for the record that the most important and beneficial thing was the highly comprehensive instructions from one of our esteemed vendors whose initials begin with D's. In my attempt to gain confidence, besides reading and noting every relevant post on the subject, I read the instructions enough times to memorize them.



I didn't want to get stuck part way through the project exposing myself to interrogation, ridicule and unnecessary cost. So finally a timing opportunity arose and I proceeded carefully from step one. The grid heater part was mighty stuck, it was. After much grunting and fermenting over the predicament, me and the crowbar had our way with it. Being careful as I was, I saw that the gasket was not going come peaceably, more like in pieces. I didn't have a spare. So I put everything back and before long paid a visit to the local Cummins shop.



Knowing that I could at least get this far, I was reminded again of the horrors of getting stuck part way. So I decided to tackle the tough stuff first, if that was a no-go, I could back out gracefully again. Having heard how troublesome the way-back-there injector can be, no surprise really when you look at it, I decided to have a go at loosening the fuel line. Stubby wrenches are the antithesis of leverage, and obviously I needed a bunch. Abort attempt two.



Back to the hardware store for a large 19mm open-end wrench. I suspect the tool cost alone is approaching that of professional installation with someone else doing the sweating and cussing for my amusement. For attempt three, I go directly to the injector lines. Drat, foiled again. Apparently a twice-as-big wrench still doesn't cut it when you need 3 times as much leverage!



Back to the hardware store for what ended up being a piece of pipe that fit over the wrench to make a longer handle. Crude but effective. Besides, I always say - a project ain't really a project unless you make at least 2 trips to the hardware store.



Finally, as the year drags on, an opportunity for attempt four arises. Now well armed and partially experienced, I dive in. Of course I made sure that I could break that bad boy loose first thing. Only problem is, I can't count, more on that later. So I proceeds with confidence borne of previous attempts and tools galore. All is going well, I'm rather pleased with myself even though I had to arm-wrestle it a time or two to show who's boss. That back injector wasn't so bad after all. In fact, it wasn't all that far back, being #5. Doh! How many fingers do I have? Yes I have to count the bleeding ones too. Ahhh! So there's Mr. #6, way - way back there. Aw h3ll, I thought #5 was bad, the old pipe on a wrench thing doesn't even fit under the cowl and around all the wiring harnesses much less with room to swing.



So here I am, 5/6 of the way through and stuck, exactly where I didn't want to be. As Winnie the Pooh would say, "Think?, Think?". I thought of my trusty crowbar. Between the wrench, crowbar and cowl, I found my leverage! I broke the will of Mr. #6!



In the end, it was a successful install. No leftover parts, no leaks (keeping fingers crossed and planning a re-torque session). The test drive was good, wasn't all the way warmed up, so I didn't get on it too much, but it felt good.



The moral of the story is, a big strong friend is good to have, especially when dealing with the likes of Mr. #6.



Best regards,

Neil
 
The heck with #6, the stinkin' lifting eye on the back of the head wad almost welded on as so many have stated. I made my sacrificial offering of blood on that minutes into the job and all else went hassle free.
 
Did you replace the copper washers with new ones on the used injectors? I am selling a used set of 275's and thought I read that they needed new washers.
 
Originally posted by TurboDog

Did you replace the copper washers with new ones on the used injectors? I am selling a used set of 275's and thought I read that they needed new washers.



Yes its a good idea to always replace the washers when changing injectors, more importantly make sure the old ones are removed when pulling the old injectors out! Also is a good idea to replace the orings on the injectors... ... ... ... ... .



copper washers = 3906659

o-rings = 3029820
 
Dang,I guess not following the instructions pays off. The only thing that was a pain was #3. Only thing I removed was the valve cover and 2 line clamps. 45 min start to finish!



Mike



(O Ya been wrenching for 30 yrs)
 
Originally posted by TSRAM

The heck with #6, the stinkin' lifting eye on the back of the head wad almost welded on as so many have stated. I made my sacrificial offering of blood on that minutes into the job and all else went hassle free.



Oh yeah, mine was stuck bad also. I didn't think I was going to get it to break loose. As for the #6 line, I took **ICEMAN**'s recommendation. After cussing and trying for 30 minutes a call to him cleared up my problem in no time. The rest of the install was a breeze
 
Breaking Injector Lines Loose

It pays to have a 300 pound impact tool around to bust those lines loose:-laf :-laf Next time, bring a large friend along for the brute part;)



That lift bracket does have to come out to get to #6.
 
Couldn't get much leverage on the 16" 1/2 ratchet alone. Used a piece of 1" EMT for a cheater bar. :D Something had to give. Fortunately, my hand was between the bar and the upper rad. hose clamp to cushion the blow from the bar. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by GMills

and what is Icemans reccomendation?



I told him I was in a bit of a pinch and that I had the truck torn down except for the last line, so I couldn't drive it out for any tools. He told me that he had took a spare 3/4" wrench and bent it off to one side so that it didn't interfere with the injector lines as they went into the head at an angle. It worked like a charm. Of course I didn't have a spare wrench, so I had to sacrifice my only good 3/4" wrench. It was very much worth sacrificing the wrench in the long run. The truck runs awesome now
 
I like using a 19 mm flare nut crow foot. Works very well for cylinder #6. Also, might have been easier to attend a TDR function somewhere and swapped out the injectors there.



Lucky for me, my wife knows about my bombing.
 
Originally posted by catoiler

Dang,I guess not following the instructions pays off. The only thing that was a pain was #3. Only thing I removed was the valve cover and 2 line clamps. 45 min start to finish!



Mike



(O Ya been wrenching for 30 yrs)



Same here Mike, but I do like to take the lift eye off and I am a few years short of you wrenching. It bit the heck out of me once. An hour and a half is a LEISURELY injector install. Get an install under your belt and it just is not that hard. And this one time, at diesel camp, we were installing injectors... ... ...
 
I did my DD2s in about 3 hrs gong very slowly since I had never been into a diesel before, and my confidence was lacking.



I worked from back to front, because I figured it would only get easier that way, and you want to have the easy parts left when you're tired.



That lifting eye reguired a serious IR gun and about 90 psi-- came right off (don't ask me how I got it in there). They must use a 1" impact tool to put that thing on-- either that or the same guy who does oil filters!



I used a tapered centering punch to get the washers out instead of a screwdriver-- less chance of splitting the thing and getting pieces down inside!



As for the 19mm lines, crowsfoot is the only game in town. I used a stubby to get them back together. i didn't even use a torque wrench on them-- I just lined the factory marks back up with a calibrated hand and a stubby. No leaks, no problems.



It was a huge confidence booster to get that install done myself. I am not afraid of wrenching on my expensive truck now. And I enjoy my truck a lot more now too! Of course, the 90hp of the DD2s is probably a little part of that:)
 
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