Another Amsoil Poll

[illflem]

Maybe this will show if Don's crusade has had any effect.

 

[klenger]

These polls never seem to have quite the right options. Other: I don't use Amsoil yet, but will after breakin.



I do have a question for those who have had leaks after swithcing to synthetics. If your truck did not leak with dino oil, but did after switching to synthetics, did switching back to dino stop the leaks, or was the "damage" permanant?

 

[illflem]

Ken, I thought of that one and a couple of others, so added other. Main problem is making a poll where you don't have two correct answers.

 

[Sled Puller]

"Potential problems"



Kind of biased unfactual choices there, eh illflem?





Gene

 

[illflem]

Gene, get out a dictionary and look up potential, I get the feeling you don't know what it means. Here I'll do it for you;







1)Capable of being but not in existence; latent: a potential problem.

2)Having possibility, capability, or power.

 

[Sled Puller]

Originally posted by Sled Puller

"Potential problems"



Kind of biased unfactual choices there, eh illflem?





Gene

 

[Steve Roseman]

Bill,

I think your poll is one of the more UNbiased polls compared to the recent polls I've seen.

Of course I had to pick "other". Dino in the motor, Amsoil in the transmission. I exercise my freedom of choice, everyone else can too.

 

[Don M]

Used Amsoil and will discontinue due to potential problems was the closest I could get in the unbiased poll.

I was a customer of Amsoil and was treated like I was a retard from guys that are unqualified to answer lubricating questions or deal with troubles.



Don~

 

[Hammer]

:-laf :-laf :-laf ,,Now would SOMEBODY PLEASE pass me the salsa dish,mines empty,,Gotta reload before the "Warranty White Knight" shows up to amuse us,,:-laf :-laf :-laf

 

[B KIRK]

I think there should have been another category to vote in.



Use Amsoil to avoid potential problems.



Brad

 

[QRTRHRS]

Amsoil in the transmission, transfer and rears. Rotella T 15/40 in the engine. Why? Money. Since the gear lube is syn anyway and Amsoil is a bargain for the transmission, it works for me. Rotella in the crankcase because I figure about 200k and it will be time for new anyway. Budget is a big reason too. I also keep four other types of motor oil for other applications plus various hydraulic and gear lubes on hand.

 

[fj40charles]

I use Amsoil in the diffs, Mobil 1 trans fluid in the tcase, and Rotella T in the engine. I can see NO compelling reason for Amsoil in the engine since I live in the south. Also, remember the 1 million mile truck in the TDR a few issues ago? They ran Rotella T and changed the oil every 5K miles.



My 2 pesos...



Charles

 

[Bob Beauchaine]

As I've said before I have used Amsoil since my third oil change. When my trans. and rear diff came up for their respective services they were also switched to Amsoil.



Since I've installed the NV4500HD - at it's first servicing I added the trans filter and switched it over to Pennzoil 100% synthetic GL4. All analysis - at each change - on every gear box - has come back with a recommendation to continue to use that particular fluid.



Iam a firm beliver in synthetics and will continue to use Amsoil in my engine and rear diff and Pennzoil in my NV4500HD.



Happy trails

Bob

 

['956Wheel]

I voted for GWB!

Now ya did it Bill, the poor guy has to double down on his blood pressure medication!



The poll is a good idea but will not show true results due to the fact that the salesman as well as the "believers" MUST vote to justify spending way too much $$ on their oil of choice. Other oils are allready proven... do not argue with success, these guys will!



I read the L O N G threads in recent days and find absolutly no answers to back up the oil in question... . gosh seems like a real simple request being the cost of the stuff. One salesman insists all the questions have been answered, I read, search and reread and the answers, may satisfy him, just do not address the questions. Then there is the liberal thing... LOL



Mike (always '956wheel)Oo.

 

[Shovelhead]

I used Dino after 1st change, broke-in, then Amsoil for next two.

Switched to Valvoline 2000 on last change cuz' around here it's half the price of the Amsoil.

 

[Reddog1]

You guys are doing it again. I am telling the moderator.



I am so confused with all the oil facts , I am thinking about draining my oil and going without.



If we use a given oil or imitation oil, must we make a pledge?



I clicked the wrong circle. How do I change my vote?



Wayne



P. S. Bill; hope you don’t mind, I copied your window screen air filter.

 

[Pit Bull]

I am sure that synthetic oil is better for the engine than Dino. I will stick with Rotello T 15w40 since the 1,000,000 mile trucks in TDR used it with 5000 miles changes (and I can live with only getting 1,000,000 miles out of my engine) plus I love the smell, so I change it every 4,000 miles

 

[HC]

Other oils are allready proven... do not argue with success, these guys will! ... . and..... I read the L O N G threads in recent days and find absolutly no answers to back up the oil in question... . gosh seems like a real simple request being the cost of the stuff

Let's be fair here. (and please hear me out - I intend to criticise both sides some, in my effort to be fair!)



I have not once heard the Amsoil or synthetic fans claim that good Dino oils "don't work" or that people who use Dino oil at reasonable change intervals are "not smart". So I don't see anyone "arguing with success" from the Synthetic camp. But if you're really being fair, you know that the Dino Camp did call the Syn fans "not smart". Adding "IMO" or other qualifiers doesn't change that basic fact, and some of those earlier statements were the match that lit a fire we all wish would just go out, 'cause both sides are getting burned. If you are happy with Dino oil, fine, carry on. But please don't ask me why I use Synthetic, then tell me all my logic is invalid and based on "junk science", that my improved cold starts are a "perceived" benefit, not an "actual" benefit, and somewhere in the mix tell me I'm wasting my money and "not smart". If you back me into a corner and I come out swinging, you shouldn't cry "foul". Maybe too many of the responses were from "salesmen". But maybe that's because the satisfied "end users" like myself saw what was going on and simply walked away from a pointless fight in which we had nothing to gain. Life's too short, I have nothing to sell, and I really don't care which type of oil you choose. So why should I spend my time trying to convince you that I made the right choice for my needs, my driving demands, my truck? So you can tell me I'm wrong and insult me some more? No, I don't want to play that game.



Justify the high cost? Hum, just my twisted perception, I'm sure, but it seems to me many of the Syn fans have specifically stated that cost is a non-issue to them. My perception is that it is a small number of the Dino users who seem the most highly motivated to justify why they're not using Syn. Again, a few salesmen aside, we really don't care what you use in your truck, and we'll be happy to engage in a two-way discussion of pros and cons with anyone who doesn't just return insults (direct or veiled, an insult is still an insult).



As to unanswered questions: You raise a good point! So far, the only one who has pointed out a high-mileage Amsoil user was me. As I said in that "buried" post, 500k+ and going strong with 75k change intervals. I also admitted the report was second hand, but I heard it from a non-Amsoil Cummins owner who talked directly to the high-mileage guy at a fuel island. Yes, they do exist - but I agree - we should provide additional examples.

Now, to the fair part: How many of the Dino fans posting this question have 300k plus? The fact of the matter is that most of the high mileage guys are out there on the road somewhere while I'm here typing this. The anti-Amsoil posters have also failed to answer some very key questions. I haven't seen a rush to report how many miles were on the engine when switched to synthetic and leaks began. This is a very important question which was raised, and, no answers. The "Amsoil leakers" (for lack of a better name) also failed to respond to a second important question: "Do you believe you would not have leaked with API-certified Delvac synthetic?" One leaker reported his leaks slowed after switching back to Dino. I hereby offer to donate $20 towards the cost of a change to Delvac 1, to see if the leak rate heads back up. Three more similar offers, and somebody gets a free oil change!



Those, who like me, have grown tired of this winnerless argument, need to go read the "Tale of Woe" thread in the 24v Engine and Drivetrain forum. It's uplifting, because it shows us what we can be: A man on the road with problems - good trouble-shooting suggestions being thrown in short posts, and even an offer to "loan" a turbo to get the man home! GO TDR!

 

[Riflesmith]

HC,

Thank you for the balanced, well thought out post. You expressed in a nut shell what many of us have been trying to say for a long time. I wish I could have expressed myself so eloquently.

 

[HC]

I wish I could have expressed myself so eloquently.

You did. It's just easier to hear each other now that the shouting is dying down.