Another NV4500 ?

[ani17uk]

Got a buddy of mine that just wrecked his 94 and I was wanting to get the transmission. Was wandering if I needed anything else off of the truck for the conversion.



Thanks

Josh

 

[Got Smoke?]

Call www.Quad4x4.com they will set you up!

 

[ani17uk]

Yea I have already went to there website and they are out in Montana. Just seeing what else to get off of this truck that I might need for the transmission upgrade.



Thanks

Josh

 

[bgilbert]

Josh, this is where we get into trade secret stuff. Not everyone that knows, wants to tell what you need cause then the high dollar vendor will be out. I'm sure one could get the transmission, modify it at the t-case so it will bolt up to the 205. I know the 1st gen clutch will work with it, so that area if fine. I believe its just the t-case area. What I'd really like to see is the quad4x4 4500 install video, and or here from someone that already had a 4500 but purchased the $600 quad adaptor kit, to hear just exactly whats different, again trade secret material. Seems like I talked with a good ole boy- read nonTDR member- a ways back that had a 4500/205 for sale. He said his builder had to swap mainshafts or something for the 205 to bolt up. So whatever quad does, I guess this 4500 205 is not a direct bolt up unless you pay for the R&D. Although per

Marty1, the 5600 205 is mostly a bolt up. Remove the transmission/t-case seal or whatever its called, and run the same lube in both, they bolt up. Or machine the rearend of the transmission, leave the seal, then a bolt up. Ok, off my soapbox.

 

[SRadke]

It'll be difficult to do without the adapter bellhousing. Your bellhousing will not bolt the the NV so you'll need the one from the 94..... problem is your slave cylinder will not bolt to it. You'll have to either swap out the slave cylinder and lines (unsure what's involved there but it won't be pretty) or call Quad and buy the bellhousing. I sugest the latter.



-Scott

 

[Scot]

You ought to be able to use the '94 slave. There is a roll pin that holds the line into the slave. The unit will, over a period of time, bleed itself.

 

[SRadke]

You ought to be able to use the '94 slave. There is a roll pin that holds the line into the slave. The unit will, over a period of time, bleed itself.

You'll need the 94 line too and I'm unsure how it attaches to the master cylider on the firewall. It's bent diffrently and may not work? Scot's right about the bleeding but you'll still have to assemble it with as little air in a possible so it'll function in the meantime.



-Scott

 

[Don in Missouri]

I just completed this conversion in my truck. If Advanced Adapter or one of those conversion outfits would have told me in detail what was involved, I would have bought their kit and saved myself some time and money. They hurt themselves by not providing the information.



I used my original '92 Clutch, because it is bigger and I liked that.



You will need the bellhousing and the bellhousing adapter that bolts to the back of the block. You have to remove te flywheel to change this piece. You will need the '94 starter. The first gen starter will not bolt up. You will have to trim a little off the frame to clear the '94 starter. The '94 starter is clocked outward and just barely rubs the frame.



You will need the clutch fork for the '94 bellhousing and the '94 slave cylinder. I was was able to use my original plastic line and the new slave cylinder worked just fine. The line is plastic and is quite flexible.



You'll want to take the backup light switch out of your Getrag and screw it into the NV4500 so the electrical connectors hook up. It can be hard to get the switch out of the Getrag. It takes a deep 24mm socket. You have to drive the socket on with a hammer. Otherwise, just buy a new switch for a '89-93 and it will screw into the NV4500.



You'll need a new pilot bushing for the first gen flywheel. The NV4500 will fit that bushing, but the later style pilot bearing will not fit your flywheel.



The NP205 will bolt right up to the NV4500 there are no issues there.



You will have to make a bracket between the crossmember and the rear mount for the NV4500. Make it out a a 5-1/2" length of 3"x3" square tubing. I also had to make a bracket for the T-case shifter. You can buy each of these brackets from Advance Adapters for about $35, but you will have to modify them if you are using the '94 bellhousing.



Using the '94 bellhosuing instead of the conversion bellhousing moves the transmission back about an 1". I did not have to modify driveshafts. The expansion joints had enough flex in them to accomodate the longer trans. I did have to modify the carrier bearing bracket on the rear two-piece drive shaft. This extra inch is why you will have to modify brackets from AA.



The AA conversion manual tells you to cut some length off the front bearing retainer on the NV4500. I did this because I was using the big '92 clutch, but I don't know if that was necessary since I used the '95 bellhousing.

 

[DJP]

Getrag to NV4500 conversion

From what I understand, the NV4500 will not bolt up to the Getrag bellhousing, and a replacement adapter bellhousing from Advanced Adapters, or Quad 4X4 will be required. I also understand that I will need the NV4500 shift lever, and a new hole cut in the transmision tunnel. What I don't know is, will my slave cylinder, release arm, and clutch / pressureplate from the getrag work with the NV4500? Besides the transmission, shifter and adapter bellhousing, what else do I need to buy?

 

[SRadke]

From what I understand, the NV4500 will not bolt up to the Getrag bellhousing, and a replacement adapter bellhousing from Advanced Adapters, or Quad 4X4 will be required. I also understand that I will need the NV4500 shift lever, and a new hole cut in the transmision tunnel. What I don't know is, will my slave cylinder, release arm, and clutch / pressureplate from the getrag work with the NV4500? Besides the transmission, shifter and adapter bellhousing, what else do I need to buy?

With the adapter bellhousing from Quad or AA you will be able to reuse your flywheel, clutch, pressure plate, release arm, throwout bearing, and slave cylinder. You may have to shorten the imput shaft collar on the NV4500 slightly but it'll bolt up. You will also need the entire shift tower/shifter (depending on year of trans as to what you'll have) for the new unit and a new hole will have to be cut in the floor about 6" back from where the Getrag came through.



-Scott

 

[Don in Missouri]

Advancd Adapters sells a NV4500 installation manual for $10. It has two pages on the Getrag replacement. The rest of the booklet is for other trucks. I wish they gave you more information, but even the scant details they include are worth the $10. I think their buyer's guide if free. It contains some of the conversion information there as well.



The AA manual says to cut the new hole in the floor 4-1/2" behind the original. Mine turned out to be 5-5 1/2" behind the original.

 

[ani17uk]

So basically what I need from this 94 Dodge other than the transmission is the bellhousing and the slave cylinder to keep me from buying the adapter bellhousing from somewhere else?



Thanks

Josh