Another reason why 1st Gens are better 'N the newer ones...

[BushWakr - RIP]

Ok, here is why us guys with the "original" bad butt honkin horney toads is real lucky. . and other's isn't... . wait for it... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... .....

Now... . WHAT we have hare, is FAILURE to ... ... well, survive... . what you see is the new fangled hardened seat in a cylinder head take a holiday and date the piston head... . nasty. . :{ :{













pb...

 

[MMiller]

Aww just buff it off smooth and throw another head on!! :-laf



That looks like it made some funny noises right before shut down. When did they start using hardened seats that sometimes fall out?



Michael

 

[tugboatphil]

Is that a special option, or does that come standard with the $50k price tag?

 

[swankmetal]

looks like those two hit it off.

 

[k2diesel]

Honey, I was driving your truck today and its making this little ticking noise :--) :{ ... ... ... ... Doohhh!

 

[BHiggins]

J. B. Weld... Make it like new.

 

[JLEONARD]

Add a little barrs leaks to the fuel tank!! :-laf :-laf and she's good to go!

 

[PToombs]

Does that increase compression? Not that I want to try it. Them newer truck guys will try any thing to keep up with us won't they?

 

[mysteryman]

first gen and then the rest

Dodge over built the first gen trucks. They really did not know what to expect to happen when they put the CDT in a little pickup. 5 years they knew what they could get away with and put the knowledge to good use. They proceeded to "economy engineer" the whole dam truck ! I actually bent the frame on my 97 hauling the same trailer and forklift that my 72 W300 hauled for the 25+ years before. Sadly enough it was my 72 that had to tow the 97 back to the dealer 5 times while under warrantee. They claimed at the dealer that I was over loading and or abusing the truck. . I said to the dealer "Hmmmmmmm lets see. what you are trying to tell me is that in my older age that I am working longer and harder as well as driving more aggressively than I did 25 years ago??" Perhaps you can explain to me how I drove the truck over there (pointing to my 72) over a half a million miles with out having any major drive line failures or ever bending the frame and then buy a new truck and have 2 transmission failures ,bend the dam frame and have the computer fry in less than a year. ??"

I said, I would also like to point out that my 72 has had to tow the 97 in each time the new truck quit"

The service manager replied as he looked down at his feet. "well sir... they just do not make trucks anymore like your 72. You can't expect the newer trucks to handle as much abuse.

I said, "you mean use" it clearly states on the door jam what the gvw is. I never exceeded it. I guess the scales in Detroit are not reading the same today as they once did" Or perhaps this 97 is only masquerading as a truck. Silly me for making such an assumption. "

The story ends with the 97 sitting in the driveway most of the time for the next 7 years and when I needed to haul anything much heavier than a case of coffee cups I would take my 93 D350 cdt or my 72 W300. I just recently traded the 97 for 2 first gen. trucks... ... you know... the kind that work! And good riddens to the 97! And by the way... ... the 91/2/3 D/W 350's had the strongest frames that any Dodge pickup ever came with in history. What a shame those days had to end.

 

[HSchroen]

mysteryman... . can you elaborate on what made the 91/2/3 frames the "strongest"? What would I need to do to bring my '85 W350 Crew frame up to snuff? Putting a CTD in it like a bunch of others here.

Thanks.

 

[Grey Wolf]

pb, unfortunate for the owner but at least he has you guys to put things back in order



Check the "flying saucer" stuck in the crown of this "K" series Cummins. This was at 20,000 hrs, so they don't last forever..... [/IMG]#ad

 

[Greenleaf]

OK... ... . I wasn't going to say anything at first but couldn't resist... ... .



I actually feel sorry for the new truck owners.



One of our own, here on this forum, once said to me..... "Why on Earth would I want to look over the "newer" trucks at a truck show when all I have to do is travel to my nearest DC dealership". That was profound thinking.



GL

 

[1stgen4evr]

Cummins failure

I have posted previously that I can have a second gen just by getting in it and driving it away. (My brother has five and is constantly trying to get me to take one. ) The three that I have on the road are first gens with Cummins and that is how it will always be. I DO like the seating in the 98.



But I would point out that Dodge didn't make the failed engine that Brother Bushwhacker is showing. Cummins is constantly trying to improve their product and is also under some pressure from the great thinkers in Washington. They screw up sometimes. I have half of a valve head that I retrieved from the oil pan. Guess how it got there. Yep, right through the top of the piston. Now this is really cool. If you have salvaged a dead engine, you know that there is usually something good on the engines. In this case, the valve chip, after dropping past the piston, lodged between the block and crank (big end rod journal) as it came around, breaking a small hole in the side of the block. Careful checking on the crank reveals that it is torqued and bent ever so slightly from the crash. Debris was pumped through the oil system and to all the bearings. Of course the head and block are ruined. The shop that changed out the short block used the fuel system.



Boat anchor anyone?



Usually, our first gen editions of the cummins just last and last. The engine as it was first used had seen billions of hours in tractors before Dodge started with them. I would venture to say that if Dodge had not introduced the Cummins, they would be completely out of the truck business by now. Cummins put them back on the market.



Yep, we are lucky with our first gens.



James