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I just sent in an oil samplew to Blackstone as soon as it comes back I'll list results

 

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I have had this for quite some time but here are the results. I asked them to check for any chlorine it had a 2 PPM. Here is the rest. Now and 2500 miles earlier.
Now 2500

Alum 2 3
Chrom 0 1
Iron 11 19
Copper 1 2
Lead 1 2
Tin 0 0
Moly 0 0
Nickel 0 0
Manganese 0 0
Silver 0 0
Titanium 0 0
Vanadium 0 0
Boron 13 15
Silicon 3 4
Sodium 1 1
Calcium 3712 3448
Magnesium 72 72
Phos 974 907
Zinc 1077 1060
Barium 0 0

Vis @210F 71. 2
Flash point 425
Fuel % <0. 5
Antifreeze % 0
Water % 0. 0
Insollubles 0. 2
Chlorine 2

If anything it looks as if ER has Calcium and Phosphorus in it.

I am very impressed with the reduction in Iron.

Dee


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My buddy uses ER in his ctds.

I use Boundry.

 

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drawson,
My oil analysis says 2%, which would be 200 ppm. The section that you have the "2ppm" listed in is the % section. Are you sure that it is 2ppm and not 2%???

Also is this a new sample of ER or ER mixed with your oil that has been run a few miles?

There is iron and silicon (dirt) in there. I hope it is not a new sample.

Sincerely, Kevin

 

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Kevin, This is ER and AmsOil 15W/40 oil. The oil has just over 10,000 miles on it and has had ER in it for approx 2,000 miles. Chlorine isn't part of what Blackstone checks for and wasn't on there normal list. I asked for it to be check and it was in there comment area on the sheet.

Kevin while we are on the subject of oil what do you think of Moly in the oil as an additive?

[This message has been edited by drawson (edited 11-21-2000). ]

 

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drawson, could you look and see exactly how the Chlorine makeup was quantified? There is a huge difference between ppm (parts per million) and % like Oil Man mentioned. If it is only 2ppm, then I don't see how there could be enough in there to do any harm. But then maybe there was a lot more and it broke down into HCL (hydrochloric acid) and wasn't detected in the oil analysis. But if it's 2percent, I'd trashcan that stuff #ad
2% = 20,000ppm! #ad


Vaughn

 

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I'll have to side with Oil Man on this one. I have a Chemistry Degree and he's absolutely correct with all of his observations and predictions. It's not an opinion, it's documented fact. Hydrogen, a by-product of heat and moisture, bonds with the available Cl from the paraffins to produce HCl, a strong acid. Lead, a soft (yet durable) metal, is easily attacked and consumed by the HCl.

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Vaughan, It clearly says 2 PPM Unlike Chris I don't have a degree in Chemistry.
But I have a pretty long back ground in the Automotive industry. Oil additive like Dura lube, Prolong, & Motor Up use Chlorine to make them slick.
Here is what it says in the comment section... .
Big reduction in Iron for such a short period of time, also lead and copper. We think your engine is doing quite well mechanically when this oil and additive in use. We suggest you change nothing. No harmful contaminates found.
Here the deal all I did here is send in another oil analysis, no filters where changed. At 2500 miles ago the full flow filter was changed 40 miles before taking the sample. Two days later I added ER. The reduction in metals has me sold. My engine currently has 92K on it.
With the ER and the AmsOil I feel really good about how my baby is protected!!!!
I will be putting ER in the trans next week.



[This message has been edited by drawson (edited 11-23-2000). ]

 

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Has anyone been using ER for a long time (say 50,000 miles)? I'm thinking this product may work well in racing applications where the engines are tore down frequently for inspection and overhaul. Long term use of ER may be counter productive? If this product really did improve MPG by 10% the major trucking companies would all be using it and linning their pockets with 10% more profits, especially with the current price of fuel. There is probably a very good reason for it not being widely used by the trucking industry. IMHO #ad


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Drawson, thanks for posting the Blackstone results and their comments. If ER does deliver as claimed without chlorinated paraffins, it makes you wonder what really is in there. I hope you continue to use it and check back with analysis results from time to time. If there are truly chlorinated paraffins that turn to HCl, and attack bearing material, then you'd probably see a rise in tin and lead readings in oil analysis results in a matter of a few thousand miles. But since your analysis showed virtually no chlorine, there probably wasn't too much in the ER to begin with.

How about taking an oil analysis a step further next time--test for TAN (total acid number)? If HCl was present, maybe this would reveal it. I think Blackstone can perform this test if requested.

If ER works as well as advertised but guys are nervous about dumping it in their engine crankcase, I see no harm in using it nearly everywhere else--rear axle, wheel bearings, PS system, transfer case, or transmission--places without soft metals.

Vaughn

 

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How to tell if an additive has Chlorine? Basicly, if the aftermarket oil additives with product claims such as:
1-Contains no Teflon.
2-Contains no PTFE.
3-Contains no Graphite.
4-Contains no Solids.

Unless the package states,"no haloginated or chlorinated materiels," the consumer CAN'T tell if an additive contains chlorine.

I have to go along with "Oilman" on this one as well. I too, have read an article from "Lubes'N'Greases"(Aug. 1998). Maurice E. Lepera, former associate director for fuels and lubricants at the Army's Tank Automotive Research, developement and Engineering center had this to say about Chlorine as an oil additive. "Chlorine is extremely reactive, which makes it corrosive to engine metals and interactive with many oil components. The enviroment within an internal combustion engine consists of high operating temeratures, combustion and blow-by gases, moisture, acid and oxidation precursors, wear debri, and unburned fuel. "
"The combination of these ingredients when combined with the catalytic effects of metalic surfaces and trace soluble metals such as copper, will cause chlorine to hydrolize--forming hydrocloride acid and other associated reaction products. Once generated, these acidic reaction products can cause serious internal combustion engine corrosion problems, especially on ferrous and alluminum alloys. "

As a matter of fact, the automotive industries used chlorine as a motor oil component until the 1930's, then it was replaced by zinc dialkyl-dithiophosphate(ZDDP), a much safer anti-wear agent for engine use. The reactivity of chlorine increases as temperatures climb, which makes it more dangerous for hot running engines, much more than the colder running engines of yesterday. Interestingly, when the oil industries did use chlorine additives, they were used at about a one percent treat rate. Aftermarket oil additives today contain treat rates as high as 30 percent!
I think the oils of today have all the additives they need. Why put somthing in the oil that may change the entire chemical makeup of the product?

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amsoilman,
Good post, you said it better than I did.
Kevin