Any Oil Analysis results with Donaldson Endurance Oil Filters?

[Hohn]

Amsoil's selling them for $22 a pop!

I REALLY like them, but are they that much better (or better at all) than a Stratapore?

jh

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Hohn, I'll be installing one next oil change later this Spring - got it from Wayne.



And, now that my '02 engine seems to have pretty well leveled off in wear metals at 40K miles, the used oil from the Frantz will be analyzed, including particle sizes - and the same done with the Donaldson when that oil is changed. But, it will take a while, at least until fall before all results are in.

 

[y-knot]

I pretty much think a filter is a filter, as long as they adhere to the manufacturers specifications is there really any advantage? I know they would like you to believe there is.

 

[Diesel Power]

I pretty much think a filter is a filter, as long as they adhere to the manufacturers specifications is there really any advantage? I know they would like you to believe there is.

manufacturs spects are not all that impressive, the donaldson is light years better than a stocker :-laf

 

[amsoilman]

I pretty much think a filter is a filter, as long as they adhere to the manufacturers specifications is there really any advantage? I know they would like you to believe there is.

Ok, here are the Oil Filter specs. for Cummins tested per Cummins Spec. #10634.



Efficiency 59. 5%



Capacity 54g.



Here is the spec on the Amsoil/Donaldson Oil Filter tested as per Cummins Spec# 10634



Efficiency 98. 7%



Capacity 125g



Wayne

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Engine lifespan back in the 50's and 60's was averaging about 100K miles - today's GAS engines frequently double and triple that mileage. The 2 most singular reasons for those increases, is better quality lubes, and improved lube filtering.

 

[CumminsPower98]

This top spec is for the fleetgaurd stratapore or what? Oh nevermind I guess that's the specs Cummins calls for in a filter. Any idea how the stratapore compares? Also wondering about micron ratings for the two.

Ok, here are the Oil Filter specs. for Cummins tested per Cummins Spec. #10634.



Efficiency 59. 5%



Capacity 54g.



Here is the spec on the Amsoil/Donaldson Oil Filter tested as per Cummins Spec# 10634



Efficiency 98. 7%



Capacity 125g



Wayne

 

[grfraz]

Donaldson Endurance filter;

The exclusive Donaldson synthetic media design results in a full flow filter that delivers extraordinary performance with greater efficiency, capacity and flow. Donaldson Endurance filters are 98. 7 percent efficient when faced with 15 micron contaminants, and they are 50 percent efficient when faced with seven micron contaminants. The smallest particle that can be seen with the naked eye is around 40 microns.

Fleetguard StrataPore Filtration Media;



Can't seem to find any data on the particle size efficencies.



disclaimer: This in no way means or implies that this information isn't out there and/or avaiable, just that I could not find it.

 

[CumminsPower98]

I did a search and found what I was looking for here



So according to that it looks like the new Amsoil Ea filter and the Donaldson Endurance filters are both better.

 

[Rman]

Engine lifespan back in the 50's and 60's was averaging about 100K miles - today's GAS engines frequently double and triple that mileage. The 2 most singular reasons for those increases, is better quality lubes, and improved lube filtering.

While I agree with that, there's more to it. Technology has taken just about eveyrthing a step above. The tolerances are much tighter, which when coupled with quality lube, allows for much longer lasting components. I've seen old Model T engines literally running with leather acting as main bearings. The alloys and better machining practices along with lubes and filtration has really extended the reliabilty of just about all engines.



I always love to hear about how bad all the electronic garb is, how we should stick with mechanical systems. Tell me this, if you were driving a gasser, would you want points again? How about going back to a double pumping 4 barrel carburetor? Wanna adjust those drum brakes every month so you can stop in a straight line? How about adjusting those exhaust valves weekly to quit that ticking?



Things have gotten WAY better than they use to be, I welcome new technology, sure it has it's troubles (so did the old stuff it replaced!), but to me it's well worth it.

 

[Rman]

I pretty much think a filter is a filter, as long as they adhere to the manufacturers specifications is there really any advantage? I know they would like you to believe there is.

so you gonna put those nice FRAM filters on your truck? :-laf

 

[wlowe]

After reading the above posts I've gathered the following info:



Fleetguard filter LF3894, (from previous post) : LF3894 is a Synthetic Media (Stratapore) Round shell, 10 Micron at 60% efficient, 30 Micron at 100% efficient.



Donaldson Endurance, (from Amsoil website) : Endurance oil filters provide filtering efficiency of 98. 7 percent at 15 microns and 50 percent at 7 microns in accordance with industry standard ISO 4548-12. This is the best rating in the industry.



So, conclusion is, both are synthetic, Fleetguard is 60% efficient at 10 micron and Donaldson is 50% at 7 microns. Is the Donaldson worth over twice the cost of the Fleetguard LF3894, you tell me?

 

[amsoilman]

After reading the above posts I've gathered the following info:



Fleetguard filter LF3894, (from previous post) : LF3894 is a Synthetic Media (Stratapore) Round shell, 10 Micron at 60% efficient, 30 Micron at 100% efficient.



Donaldson Endurance, (from Amsoil website) : Endurance oil filters provide filtering efficiency of 98. 7 percent at 15 microns and 50 percent at 7 microns in accordance with industry standard ISO 4548-12. This is the best rating in the industry.



So, conclusion is, both are synthetic, Fleetguard is 60% efficient at 10 micron and Donaldson is 50% at 7 microns. Is the Donaldson worth over twice the cost of the Fleetguard LF3894, you tell me?

Will "Fleetgaurd" recommend 25,000 miles/one year change interval on their filters?



Wayne

amsoilman

 

[RustyJC]

Will "Fleetgaurd" recommend 25,000 miles/one year change interval on their filters?

How much is a "recommendation" worth?



Rusty

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

How much is a "recommendation" worth?



Rusty

:-laf :-laf :-laf

 

[amsoilman]

How much is a "recommendation" worth?



Rusty

Well, lets see. With your Westach EGT/boost/dual fuel, Ray's, EZ, DD2's, TAG, SBC Con OFE, BHAF, Jardine, RS9000s, Jacobs, B&W, Jordan, PowerVisions, does Dodge/Cummins recommend ALL these?

 

[RustyJC]

I'm sure you're trying to make a point regarding my truck, but I'm not getting it, so here's mine:



Warranties have value. Recommendations don't. What is amsoil prepared to do if I follow their 25,000 mile/1 year recommendation and things turn to apple butter? If the answer is nothing, then how valuable is that "recommendation"?



Rusty

 

[nps]

That recommendation and $1 will get you a double cheeseburger at Mickey D's. :-laf

 

[amsoilman]

I'm sure you're trying to make a point regarding my truck, but I'm not getting it, so here's mine:



Warranties have value. Recommendations don't. What is amsoil prepared to do if I follow their 25,000 mile/1 year recommendation and things turn to apple butter? If the answer is nothing, then how valuable is that "recommendation"?



Rusty

OK, Rusty. Are you telling me its OK to have all your additions on your truck and Dodge/Cummins is going to honor your warranty without ANY questions asked? Even IF the Manufacturers of your additions recommends them?

To directly answer your question with regards to Amsoil's warranty, you can see the Amsoil WARRANTY here.





Wayne

 

[RustyJC]

OK, Rusty. Are you telling me its OK to have all your additions on your truck and Dodge/Cummins is going to honor your warranty without ANY questions asked? Even IF the Manufacturers of your additions recommends them?

My question was rhetorical and had nothing to do with my truck. And, no, I've never been back to the dealer for any problem, warranty or otherwise.

To directly answer your question with regards to Amsoil's warranty, you can see the Amsoil WARRANTY here.

Unless I misread it, that's amsoil's lubricant warranty. We were discussing the use of their filters according to their 25,000 mile/1 year "recommendation". I didn't find anything that addresses that product or circumstance.



Rusty