Any Oil Analysis results with Donaldson Endurance Oil Filters?

[amsoilman]

My question was rhetorical and had nothing to do with my truck. And, no, I've never been back to the dealer for any problem, warranty or otherwise.

Unless I misread it, that's amsoil's lubricant warranty. We were discussing the use of their filters according to their 25,000 mile/1 year "recommendation". I didn't find anything that addresses that product or circumstance.



Rusty

Here is a picture taken OFF the filter box.



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Wayne

 

[RustyJC]

So, what happens if the filter fails before 25,000 miles or 1 year? Do I get a new filter, or do I get my engine fixed? If the sum total of the filter guarantee is what's on the box, then caveat emptor.



Rusty

 

[NIsaacs]

Engine lifespan back in the 50's and 60's was averaging about 100K miles - today's GAS engines frequently double and triple that mileage. The 2 most singular reasons for those increases, is better quality lubes, and improved lube filtering.

While better quality lube and filters are a plus, in todays engine life span, I think fuel injection was the big milage improvement. Less cylinder wash down from all the junky carburetors. I never had problems with any items requiring engine oil, causing premature wear. Usually rings were the first to go, caused by dry starts, caused by gas wash down.





"NICK"

 

[Hohn]

I had a carbureted Honda go almost 400K and the engine was never touched.

EFI doesn't explain it in my book. I think it's better OEM machining, better lubes, and better filters.

I mean, if you bought even a KIA today, you'd expect it to last well over 100K miles.

 

[NIsaacs]

Yes, carburetors were improved upon in later years, however the Honda was probably not a fifties or sixties car, the era suggested. I expect more dirt roads at that time frame were also a culprit of early engine wear. However the diesel engines of the same era in question, lasted a long time. Same oil and filters, nothing fancy.





"NICK"

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I tend to be a synthetic lube supporter, even tho' I only use it in limited applications based upon relative expense in my operation and service schedules - and with all due respect to Wayne, who I consider a friend on this board, the notion that if an Amsoil filter and oil somehow destroys your $10,000 engine (highly unlikely!), Amsoil will "Do the right thing", and step up to "replace (ONLY) the filter and oil" certainly seems sorta ludicrous and wimpy as warranties go...



"Jeeze guy, sorry about you losing yer ENGINE - but here's $50 to cover the cost of yer oil and filter... " :-laf

 

[RustyJC]

Gary,



I'm not trying to give Wayne (or anyone else) a hard time. I'm just a believer in truth in advertising - give the potential consumer all the facts and then let him/her make the appropriate purchase decision. I, for one, remember the old Banks Engineering "Our products won't void your warranty" advertising campaign.



Amsoil is quite specific regarding their lubricant warranty and the steps that must be followed to file a claim. I'm just surprised that their 25,000 mile/1 year filter warranty (at least what we've seen of it so far) is so non-specific regarding what is covered and the warranty claim process that must be followed.



Rusty

 

[amsoilman]

Gary,



I'm not trying to give Wayne (or anyone else) a hard time. I'm just a believer in truth in advertising - give the potential consumer all the facts and then let him/her make the appropriate purchase decision. I, for one, remember the old Banks Engineering "Our products won't void your warranty" advertising campaign.



Amsoil is quite specific regarding their lubricant warranty and the steps that must be followed to file a claim. I'm just surprised that their 25,000 mile/1 year filter warranty (at least what we've seen of it so far) is so non-specific regarding what is covered and the warranty claim process that must be followed.



Rusty

So tell me Rusty, What filter do you use, and does it have a warranty? IF so where do you find this warranty?



If you would like to find out what the Amsoil filter warranty is all about, I suggest you call 1-715-392-7101 and speak with "Technical Services". They can give you the scoop directly... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... . don't take my word for it!



For those of you that would like to know how the Filter Manufactures Council feel about warranty issues, here is a letter from the "Filter Manufactures Council"

Consumer Purchases of Filters are sometimes told that an aftermarket brand of replacement filter cannot be used in the consumer's vehicle during the warranty period. The claim is made that use of an aftermarket brand will "VOID" the warranty, with the statement or implication that only the original equipment brand of filters may be used. This tends to cast doubt on the quality of the aftermarket filter.



That claim is simply not true. If the consumer asks for a statement in writing, they will not receive it. Nevertheless, the consumer may feel uneasy about using replacement filters that are not original equipment. With the large number consumers who prefer to use an aftermarket filter this misleading statement should be addressed.



Under the Federal Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, the Clean Air Act and general principles of the U. S. Federal Trade Commission Act, a Manufacturer may not require the use of ANY brand of filter (or any other article) unless the Manufacturer provides the item free of charge under the terms of the warranty.



If the consumer is told that only the original equipment filter will not VOID the warranty, they should request that the OE filter be supplied free of charge. If they are charged for the filter, the Manufacturer may be violating the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act or other applicable law.



By providing this information to consumers, the members of the "Filter Manufacturers Council" (FMC) intend to combat the erroneous claim that the use of a brand of replacement filter other than original equipment will "Void the warranty. "



It should be noted the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is a U. S. federal law that applies to consumer products. The U. S. Federal Trade Commission has authority to enforce the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, including obtaining injunctions and orders containing affirmative relief. In addition, a consumer can bring suit under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. [END QUOTE]



For additional information, contact:

Filter Manufactures Council

P. O. Box 13966

Research Triangle Park, NC 27709-3966

Phone:919-406-8817 Fax:919-406-1306

www.filtercouncil.org



Administered by Motor & Equipment Manufactures Association

 

[RustyJC]

So tell me Rusty, What filter do you use, and does it have a warranty? IF so where do you find this warranty?

That really isn't relevant to the question, but since you asked: Fleetguard Warranty.

If you would like to find out what the Amsoil filter warranty is all about, I suggest you call 1-715-392-7101 and speak with "Technical Services". They can give you the scoop directly... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... . don't take my word for it!

Wayne, why don't you just link us to it like you asked me to do above? Then we can all see it.



Rusty

 

[rono]

As I recall, this thread was about the Donaldson Filters...



The local Freightliner Dealer, where I have bought several parts for my Cummins, only sells the Donaldson Filters. That is the only brand they have on display and sell. If there were any question as to the quality of the Donaldson filters, there is no way they would sell them.



Can you imagine the liability they would expose themselves to if the oil filters caused engine problems to the hundreds of longhaul truckers they service and sell to?



That they sell and use the Donaldson filters in the vehicles they service is enough for me to think they are of top quality and worthy of my use.



Ron

 

[nps]

Hummmm... didn't Banks use the vaunted "Federal Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act" as the foundation for their 'we won't void your warranty' claim too.

 

[RustyJC]

As I recall, this thread was about the Donaldson Filters...

Not exclusively. Here's the first post in the thread:

Any Oil Analysis results with Donaldson Endurance Oil Filters?



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Amsoil's selling them for $22 a pop!



I REALLY like them, but are they that much better (or better at all) than a Stratapore?

Rusty

 

[amsoilman]

That really isn't relevant to the question, but since you asked: Fleetguard Warranty.

Wayne, why don't you just link us to it like you asked me to do above? Then we can all see it.



Rusty

Rusty,

I can not provide you with a link at this time, as Amsoil does not have one specificly for the filter warranties.



The new EaO filters are just coming online, and there has not been a specific warranty for the filters as yet. However, with that said, I can tell you that if one of the filters did cause damage to an engine, Amsoil would treat it as they would a lubricant under the specific lubricant warranty. I will provide you with a "link" for the donaldson Filter line, and you can see the performance data.



http://www.amsoil.com/products/ef_faq.aspx



Wayne

 

[RustyJC]

Wayne,



Thank you for your response.



Rusty

 

[Hohn]

I've decided to buy the Donaldson Endurance filters, no matter the cost.

But as sure as I'm alive, I'm not going 25K on a filter change!! No matter what oil...

 

[cruiser_2]

I hate when discussions turn into an Amsoil vs ???? discussion. There is no doubt that Amsoil products are quality products and they perform admirably. What the manufacturer recommends is 6000 mi oil changes for 12 v and 7000 mile oil changes in 24 v.

I know everyone wants to strech their dollars as we all have less of them due to many factors. I have used Amsoil products with my truck for a period, but returned to rotella and wix... I now have 473,000 miles on my truck and change the oil at the intervals specified, and found it no more expensive than using Amsoil products. This was a preference for me. I found that I used more oil with Amsoil.



What it boils down to is if you want to use the product... ... USE IT... . but don't give anybody any grief because the choose to ignore your preference. Whether your specs show it is better or not. It is not worth 3 pages of ya ya back and forth.

 

[PRout]

Be careful about saying anything bad about Amsoil... Its kind of like caster oil, everyone should have some shoved down their throat. :-laf

 

[Glock Guru]

I use Wal-Mart Supertech oil, it's the best, because Ms. Cleo told me so. :-laf





-Troy

 

[DieselNasty]

Are we talking about a full flow filter changing that and the oil at 25000 miles?

 

[CumminsPower98]

I know I will probably catch it for saying this but I have run the Fleeguard filters to 25k several times with great oil analysis reports. Of course I'm also running a bypass filter. These are also over the road miles.