Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting Any ???? on the Increased Capacity Mags ??

[BTighe]

if an officer enters and a ccw holder has the muzzle pointed at him then he needs to be shot. theres no excuse for not watching your crap! if you can get out enough to practice or familiarize yourself with your weapon, you shouldnt carry. in oregon we have a 4 hour non shooting class. not to reasuring. i get out to the range at least 4x a month.

being as there in school, a backpack would hold alot of that stuff. also, a shotgun is not hard break down. just go into the bathroom and reasemble. metal detectors at the entrances would take care of that though.

to the OP, NRA member here to though i was not raised around firearms. like that mike guy said, its not the guns, its the people. some nutsack could run around with a chainsaw and the outcome could be the same. the general public has become too damn lazy to raise there own kids. i dont care if i end up in jail or fighting child services, i will raise my own the way it should be!

 

[hammersley]

Let's be realistic - How Much do they test you before you can drive off with a new Pickup and a Trailer or a 40' Motorhome... . that many can't handle??????? All they want is the $$$ and nothing to stop the impulse buyer... ... .

 

[Edward]

Let's be realistic - How Much do they test you before you can drive off with a new Pickup and a Trailer or a 40' Motorhome... . that many can't handle??????? All they want is the $$$ and nothing to stop the impulse buyer... ... .

hammersley

Here we come down to the two different philosophy's of government. The socialist expects government and industry through legal intimidation to be responsible for everyone's actions there by managing their lives. You know Joe six-pack isn't smart enough to manage his own life he needs government to manage it for him.

Then you have the conservative philosophy of personal responsibility, personal effort and personal reward. If you buy that motor home or trailer you just became responsible for any damages you might cause with it. If you have government testing an regulation for every aspect of our lives can you still call this a free society? Think about it.



Edward

 

[DWordinger]

hammersley

Here we come down to the two different philosophy's of government. The socialist expects government and industry through legal intimidation to be responsible for everyone's actions there by managing their lives. You know Joe six-pack isn't smart enough to manage his own life he needs government to manage it for him.

Then you have the conservative philosophy of personal responsibility, personal effort and personal reward. If you buy that motor home or trailer you just became responsible for any damages you might cause with it. If you have government testing an regulation for every aspect of our lives can you still call this a free society? Think about it. Edward

Conservatives are no more respectful of personal choice and responsibility than the left. They just want to manage different aspects of your life. Conservatives, often allied with the left, want to manage your recreational activities, your retirement, your employment, and much else.

 

[Edward]

Conservatives are no more respectful of personal choice and responsibility than the left. They just want to manage different aspects of your life. Conservatives, often allied with the left, want to manage your recreational activities, your retirement, your employment, and much else.

Nice generalities if you want to deal in them. I prefer facts.



Edward

 

[arrowsmith]

And while we sit here debating these topics, the deconstruction of our society continues apace. We continue to import MORE diversity and more division and cultural strife, while encouraging the further decay of our society and the American family. We satiate ourselves with bread and circuses, as our leaders do a stunningly modern imitation of Nero fiddling while Rome burns.



Perhaps, God willing, we will someday have the courage and wisdom to face up to the bitter reality of our policies: We are very unlikely to see things get better, when we go out of our way to make things worse.

How Long Does America Have?



About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new

constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at

the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the

Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:



"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist

as a permanent form of government. "



"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters

discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public

treasury. "



"From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates

who promise the most benefits from the

public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally

collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is

always followed by a dictatorship. "



"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the

beginning of history, has been about 200 years. "



"During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through

the following sequence:



1. from bondage to spiritual faith;

2. from spiritual faith to great courage;

3. from courage to liberty;

4. from liberty to abundance;

5. from abundance to complacency;

6. from complacency to apathy;

7. from apathy to dependence;

8. From dependence back into bondage"



Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St.

Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000

Presidential election:



Number of States won by:

Gore: 19

Bush: 29



Square miles of land won by:

Gore: 580,000

Bush: 2,427,000



Population of counties won by:> Gore: 127 million

Bush: 143 million

Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:

Gore: 13. 2

Bush: 2. 1



Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate,

the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the

taxpaying citizens of this great country. Gore's territory mostly

encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off

various forms of government welfare... "



Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the

"complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of

democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already

having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.



If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million

criminal invaders called illegal's and they vote,then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

 

[NVR FNSH]

Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare... "

While there may be some truth to that statement, it certainly appears to be a broad generalization to catergorize 'most' people living in urban/suburan areas as welfare receipients.



Brian

 

[hammersley]

Also - look at how much the land is worth that each

has - ... ... the "Gore" map is worth a whole lot more $$$$$ than the other... ... and the map doesn't hold true for the most recent election ... .

 

[arrowsmith]

has - ... ... the "Gore" map is worth a whole lot more $$$$$ than the other... ... and the map doesn't hold true for the most recent election ... .

I see that you both missed the point, try reading it once again.

 

[loncray]

First, I may not agree with Mike Ellis on this issue, but there's no way I'm going to tell him to 'stick it', on this or any other issue. His posts are articulate, avoid needless partisanship, and are always intelligent, regardless of my agreement or lack thereof.

Sled, yup it was me that said more guns would = more chaos, but I was referring to students in the building, not trained law enforcement. It just happens there was an article in today's paper about how long it took to get in - five minutes because their guns couldn't shoot thru the chains the killer used and they had to get a bolt cutter on the scene. They DID stop once in to plan how to assault the place but the killer killed himself at that moment.

 

[The patriot]

Jm.02

From the little I hear on news, it sounds as if he could have gone in there with a club and gotten the same thing done.

Other than the Jewish professor, I didnt hear of anyone trying to stop his actions. I dont know, I'm not glued to the TV, maybe I'm wrong.



A little OT. My brother competes in the "open" class with a single stack 40 1911 pistol, against double stacks. He (usually) kicks their butt. I'm talking multiple reloads too.

While he was an RO at a police shoot, he asked if he could "try the course". Kicked all of their butts with multiple reloads. :-laf

I'd hate to think if someone actually trained for this, and was actually proficient, rather than to just grind his teeth in a camera.



Eric

 

[RandyHamilton]

While there may be some truth to that statement, it certainly appears to be a broad generalization to catergorize 'most' people living in urban/suburan areas as welfare receipients.



Brian

Brian,



I don't think that is what it says at all. Here's the quote:

Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare... "

To me this says that the territory (counties) won by Gore covers most of the population of the country who live in govt housing and in receipt of govt welfare programs.



True or not,, that isn't the same as saying that most of the people living in these areas are welfare recipients.

 

[loncray]

Govt. welfare programs... you mean like subsidies to big farmers? Sunvagun, I had been under the impression that Al Gore lost in those big farm states... .

 

[Edward]

Govt. welfare programs... you mean like subsidies to big farmers? Sunvagun, I had been under the impression that Al Gore lost in those big farm states... .

lon

There is a big difference between eating at the table you put some food on and eating and bringing nothing at all to supper. The farmers pay some and get some subsidies but a person on welfare pays no taxes and gets a subsidy. The difference is obvious to anyone who does not rely on liberal group think and their templates.



Besides that businesses do not pay taxes their customers do.



Edward

 

[arrowsmith]

First, I may not agree with Mike Ellis on this issue, but there's no way I'm going to tell him to 'stick it', on this or any other issue. His posts are articulate, avoid needless partisanship, and are always intelligent, regardless of my agreement or lack thereof.

Sled, yup it was me that said more guns would = more chaos, but I was referring to students in the building, not trained law enforcement. It just happens there was an article in today's paper about how long it took to get in - five minutes because their guns couldn't shoot thru the chains the killer used and they had to get a bolt cutter on the scene. They DID stop once in to plan how to assault the place but the killer killed himself at that moment.

Did the building only have one door?

 

[arrowsmith]

Govt. welfare programs... you mean like subsidies to big farmers? Sunvagun, I had been under the impression that Al Gore lost in those big farm states... .

There is a difference between one farmer on the dole and an apartment full of people on the dole. You can get more votes from the apartment full of on the dole people.

 

[hammersley]

This whole subsidy thing just only

shows how one man's tax is another one's dinner... ..... Farm Aid is simply that - Corporate Welfare... ... ... .

 

[arrowsmith]

We should let our farmers go broke. We can always eat food from China.

 

[Sled Puller]

has - ... ... the "Gore" map is worth a whole lot more $$$$$ than the other... ... and the map doesn't hold true for the most recent election ... .

That depends on what you consider worth-land to grow food on, or land to build a McDonalds on.



The farmers day is coming, and watch how fast the government will confiscate there land for the "public good. "

 

[Edward]

shows how one man's tax is another one's dinner... ..... Farm Aid is simply that - Corporate Welfare... ... ... .

Again you parrot a sound bite that comes from group think. How do you pay taxes and get welfare? Getting back some of the money you put in is not welfare. Getting money from the government whiteout paying taxes is welfare.



Edward