Any Rammers using the ATP engine insulation?

[geusterman]

Rammers--I am getting serious about the Advanced Thermal Products Cummins engine wraps. Tim from ATP says dB's down from 95 to 60 in the cab. 2003's seem same at highway speed as my 2002 but in town it kills me. Will put on noise killer before wraps. Tell me what you know if you would please. geusterman

 

[fox]

I have their oil pan - diaper- and their valve cover insulation and they do help. I still turn the motor off at drive thru's if the egt is low enough.

The oil pan cover is tough to get on and then you have to find several points to wire it to to hold it up.

A very high quality product at a high price.

 

[geusterman]

Thanks Fox. I would probably do the whole kit and be done with it. Adding EGT probe would require cutting the turbo wrap but shouldn't be too much trouble, ya think. The other thing I would ask you is if you saw a difference in any temps with the pan cover on (seeings how oil is a coolant and the pan a "radiator" of

sorts. Thanks mon. George Eusterman

 

[fox]

No differences what so ever as far as water temp. I did not check oil temp.

 

[geusterman]

Thanks Fox. Egt's show up in the water so it must not be an issue. ATP said it was not an issue and the turbo wrap actually got rid of heat. I am going to use Noise Killer where I can before the insulation goes on (like hood and pan). I intend to keep this one for a long time but the mileage thing needs solving.

 

[Chasman]

George, ATP is a great outfit. They will put grommets in for the EGT probe if you give them the location, they did for me. They also had to make mine to fit around the E-brake which they where able to do without any trouble. There was no extra cost for doing this. The customer service was great. The product is not inexpensive but it is very high quality. It does what they say, it will not make the truck quiet but it makes it a lot easier to live with and my neighbors are happy.



As to the impact on temps. I have not noted a difference when driving. However I do have an Espar heater and the engine does seem to heat up faster with the kit on. Charlie

 

[Cooker]

Originally posted by geusterman

Egt's show up in the water so it must not be an issue.

Be careful as this statement is not necessarily true.

 

[geusterman]

Chasman--thanks for the confidence vote. I need to get my EGT guage and E brake and larger exhaust before I order the turbo cover. Cooker, you're right. A quick run up won't show in the water. It is the long pulls that do. And they are the ones that hurt us. I need an egt to watch my fuel and to see if my lower highway rpms (1300 @ 70 mph) are hot. All my other rigs have showed water temp chasing egt's on a long run. geusterman

 

[Doubleclutch]

No flames!

Not wishing to start anything here, but with regards to the pan blanket... one would think that the heat removed by the oil should not be insulated by a blanket on the pan. Auto shop memories from WAY back came swimming up when I read this thread. Am I out to lunch here?

Greg

 

[gbm]

In January of 2001 I purchased a “full Set” of blanket covers from ATP for the: Oil pan, Valve cover, Exhaust manifold, Turbocharger, Downpipe, and Hood liner. I had done some serious research into what was available, and was tremendously impressed with the quality of the ATP products. The quality of their products is Aerospace / Military. In 2 ½ years of use, and over 50,000 miles, the ATP products on my truck are “like new” no problems or issues what so ever. These are expensive components, and they really work well. They did provide a very noticeable sound reduction.

At first, I was concerned about over-insulating the engine, and causing heat related problems with the oil etc. . I performed a thorough investigation into marine and stationary generator versions of our engines to understand if this would be an issue. The generator versions of our engines are the best comparison because they have a conventional “automotive” cooling system. They run continuous at rated power for 24/7, they can have far more insulation, and work with little or no airflow over the block. Cummins B powered generators are known for reliability and an excellent service life even in the most demanding applications.



I have since performed several more sound reduction steps on my truck. My wife and I really appreciate the lower sound levels in our truck. This is especially evident after a long day on the road, we feel much less fatigued.

Maybe our patron saint of noise reduction “Greg, the noise nazi” will chime in and share some of his wisdom. Greg was extremely helpful to me in understanding noise sources and noise control in our trucks.



Geoff

 

[Lsfarm]

Noise reducton

Geoff [GBM] said it pretty well: The ATP products are very high quality and very expensive. If you are looking or a 'bolt-on' noise reduction product then look no further.



But please be aware that they will not reduce your second gen truck to third gen noise levels. It just won't happen.



If Geoff were to take a DB meter and compare his truck [which has a lot of additional soundproofing in addition to the ATP products] to a 2003 truck, the 2003 truck will be quieter, by alot.



The stock 2003 engine is around 80-85Db measured under the hood, the average 2001 truck is around 95-100Db under the hood, you just can't block that much sound in a steel body. I know: I've tried!



I've been very successfull with my noise reduction efforts, but every 2003 truck I've been around is measureably quieter.



Any efforts to block some of the Cummins noise and road noise make the truck more enjoyable to drive, but it will never get as quiet as a third gen truck. The third gen trucks are just plain quiet.



My experinces and measurements



Greg L The Noise Nazi

 

[jlhartak]

I have the full ATP kit, very high quality and expensive. It does quiet the Cummins but not as much as I had hoped; I'm not sure I would spend the money again.

 

[geusterman]

Thanks everybody. My wife said "buy it" and when the wife says buy something for the truck..... well... ... hard to pass up. I have Noise Killer and all Greg's old posts and "plastic lead" sheets and maybe I will wrap that 6speed as well. How about a dash cover ? Need to get my pyro in before I order. Anything will help make the truck more enjoyable. I don't want a 2003 as I like my Kelderman air ride on the 2002 and I would lose my bottom as well. The 2002 is just fine. I noticed the 2003 was just as noisy as mine on the highway but lot quieter around Starbucks. I have a dB meter and will log the changes. George

 

[MWinters]

ATP products

Hey, users of ATP oil pan cover -



While I believe the ATP oil pan & related products may be of exceptional quality, I would have thought the attaching of the oil pan cover would have been something more permanent than using wires to attach it to some convenient points above. I e-mailed Tim @ ATP on this & he said this would have only driven up the price :--) . Don't get me wrong, I will pay good money for superior products, but the oil pan cover is pricey to start with, so how much more for a quality , more permanent mounting setup ?



My question is to those of you who have the oil pan cover, have you had any problems ? Also, did you find any other competitive products out there that try to achieve the same results ? My immediate concern is to try & reduce the noise emitting from the wheel well area, which (according to ATP) should make my neighbors happy as I leave for work very early in the AM while most are still sleeping.



Thanks,

Mike.

 

[Lsfarm]

Less Expensive Alternative

MWinters: what I did was to buy a couple of sheets of the 1/2" Soundstop Foam from www.soundstop.com mentioned the TDR and got a discount. I applied [glued] a layer of the foam over the oil pan and then wrapped several bungie cords around the sump and from side to side under the bottom of the oil pan. The oil gets pretty warm and the contact cement tends to soften and loosen up.



While it doesn't have the same 'cool factor' that the ATP pan blanket has, and may need replacment after four or five years, the sound reduction is very noticable and the price is a fraction of the 'bolt-on' product.



Even heavy carpet padding will quiet the clatter if it is wrapped around the oil pan sump and held in place with bungie cords



Give the carpet padding method a try, if you want ot see if you notice the difference. The Oil pan radiates a lot of noise.



Greg L. The Noise Nazi

 

[MWinters]

Greg,



Thanks for the info. I've got some vacation time scheduled for the end of August, so as soon as the honey do list gets completed I think I'll give the Soundstop product a try.



I sure would like to make this a more permanent installation, but if I have to replace it every 4 to 5 years, so be it.



Thanks again,



Mike.

 

[jcbrown]

ATP Wrap...

ATP created a custom wrap for my Jacobs Exhaust Brake, Espar heater exhaust, and Espar heater muffler.



Everything else is covered and would do again.

 

[Josparkz]

Re: ATP products

Originally posted by MWinters

Hey, users of ATP oil pan cover -



My question is to those of you who have the oil pan cover, have you had any problems ? Also, did you find any other competitive products out there that try to achieve the same results ? My immediate concern is to try & reduce the noise emitting from the wheel well area, which (according to ATP) should make my neighbors happy as I leave for work very early in the AM while most are still sleeping.



Thanks,

Mike.

I had to jack the engine up to get my cover between the crossmember and the pan.

I am a little concerned about road crud, water and oil accumulating in the cover . Really a pain in the butt to remove it just for an inspection. If I do remove it I will put a heater for the oil pan in it when it goes back in.

 

[jGiacobbe]

I've finally have had it with the cab noise. I don't mind it around town, but on long trips, it gives me a headache and really makes the trip somewhat miserable. I love the truck otherwise, but this is beginning to create a problem for me.



I pulled the interior out this weekend & have started with the Dynamat Xtreme. I think I'm going to order the Basic set of these blankets. Any thoughts... words or wisdom?



I hate spending the $650, but I've been considering an '03 which is going to cost a whole lot more than the $650.



Any input's appreciated.

 

[Lsfarm]

Highway noise

jGiacobbe, a lot of the noise on the highway is road noise from tires and wind. Our trucks have wind noise and tire noise, but in most trucks it can't be heard over the exhaust and engine noise. This is why even the new trucks with the Quiet Cummins engine are still rather noisy on the highway.

I would make a special effort to deaden and insulate the back wall of the cab, a great deal of road and exhaust noise comes up between the cab and box and radiates through the back wall.

In my experiments, the Dynamat is not as effective as lead sheet or Soundstop foam, but will definetely help. If you are not going to use anything but Dynamat, I would use two layers on the back wall. The floor on the passenger side over the exhaust should get two layers too.



Let us know how you like the improvements. Do a search for 'noise reduction' and you will find a wealth of info.



Greg L. The Noise Nazi