Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) anybody ever get a p0216 code that didn't pump fail?

[ScottWright]

Last weekend I was towing my race car in a 26' inclosed trailer. Going down the freeway at 75 or so. Suddenly the truck would severely cut down the power. When it did that only the first 25% of throttle would acctually do anything. After the truck slowed down a little, it would go right back to working perfectly. Thinking it was the APPS i went to scan the truck and got the p0216 timing failure code, and I got a high voltage MAP code. The truck still runs fine, has tons of power with the drag comp on. What I'm wondering (and hoping) would a bad MAP cause the truck to act like this, and has anyone actually had a p0216 code that didn't end up killing the pump?



Thanks,

Scott



by the way I'm updating my sig' now but if it doesn't come up it's a '99 3500 2wd. drag comp, 100hp injectors, hx-35 16cm housing, 4" exhaust, suncoast trans. FASS type system (but not FASS brand name) bd-brake. . . etc. . .

 

[KevinLewis]

Sonds like the same thing that has happened to me. but no map code. I had the 0216 cleared and it showed up the next day. thruck still runs ok. seems to fall off past 2400 rpm

 

[24V-DSL]

0216, and accompanying driveability symptoms eventually meant new VP for me. I decided to not wait for it to totally die. Do a search on 0216... . there's lots of info.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Of course, do all the "check connectors" bit before writing off the VP-44...



The one directly attached to the VP-44 has caused a few owners problems, as well as the one to the ECM...

 

[s2Mumford]

Had it set twice, cleared itself after a few successful starts.

Truck seem to run better than ever?



Thanks for the heads up on the connectors, I'm going to double check mine to make sure that's not the source of the 0216 codes.

 

[otis]

My truck did the same thing towing my fiver through Grants Pass. The boost was low so I pulled in to a rest area and figured a new fuel filter might help. It happened again 500 miles later but just a hessitation occured this time. I had the 216 code so the dealer cleared it and wouldn't come back on the test drive. Ive since put 6000 miles on and I do have the code back but the truck runs fine. Ive towed heavy up long grades and the truck still pulls hard. I'll check the connectors but have a feeling its a faulty lift pump setting the code.

 

[Wiredawg]

Could be dying slow death

ScottWright:



It's possible it's dying a slow death. Mine never actually completely died before it was replaced. It would smoke heavily w/ white smoke at start up and have low power. Then, it would drive normally. Cummins only charges $65 for diagnostics, you might want to give them a try.



Good luck, Wiredawg

 

[tgbol]

The first time my truck set the 0216 I had a plugged fuel filter. it wasn't until 25,000 miles later before my VP44 died.

 

[DieselMinded]

I got the P0216 and Intermitten Dead pedel , After 3 starts the truck was Smoking So much White smoke you couldnt see behind it , Great Fuel Pressure Too !!!



DM

 

[rivercat]

I have had the 216 once when I let my fuel line get kinked stoped fuel flow. edit- that was 20k ago and no probs since.

 

[Boondocker]

This must be the season for 2002 VP-44 failures. I installed a Comp about six months ago and got the P0216 code on a code check before even starting the motor. I've run it since then with no more codes or drivability issues... until last week. I also replaced the Comp with Smarty a couple months ago.



Last week, towing my 5er, I had what I guess I would call the "dead peddle" symptom, plus the P0216 code. The engine seemed to hiccup a couple of times, like suddenly letting off the throttle and back on. Then it did the 25% thing. Seemed normal in the first 25% of accelerator, anything after that was a waste of ankle movement. For the record, 25% of throttle does not provide sufficient fuel for safe and happy trailer towing.



Running around empty, I can't get it to throw a code or misbehave. However, I have noticed a couple of subtle changes in the last few months that may be related to injection pump problems.

1. My MPG is down by about 1 mpg, and the Smarty fuel saver program showed no improvement, contrary to others' positive reports.

2. When cruising, no load, light throttle - I hear, not feel, something I would describe as "valve fluttering". Maybe my valves need adjusting at 61K mi? It's like peddling the accelerator just enough to rev the engine a few RPM but not make enough horsepower to feel.



Anyway, I've been told enough times that the VP death code means one thing, maybe sooner, maybe later. My criteria was, when I got symptoms to go with the code, I'd do something about it. New pump will be installed this week, on my nickle. Make that 32,000 nickles. I'd just rather deal with this on my home turf, than on a travel vacation in unknown territory.



Good luck,

Neil

 

[SSabick]

Dang... This is contagious!!! I just got the 0216 code today... :{ . I was just driving down the highway, and a sudden surge, almost felt like the dodge stalled for a second, and kind of a at least I think a popping noise, and then I knew there was going to be a problem. Just checked, and sure enough... 0216!!! :-{} Anyone know the difference in price from a

p-pump over a HRVP? Or a place to get me started in finding prices on p-pump conversions?

 

[rivercat]

Dang... This is contagious!!! I just got the 0216 code today... :{ . I was just driving down the highway, and a sudden surge, almost felt like the dodge stalled for a second, and kind of a at least I think a popping noise, and then I knew there was going to be a problem. Just checked, and sure enough... 0216!!! :-{}

must be the increased ambient temps causing the heat soak related falures

the p0216 threads quieted down all winter. hhmmmmmm interesting

 

[libertyram]

Mine was a map sensor.

 

[Boondocker]

pump prices

Check Industrial Injection. The difference in price between stock and High Perfomance is substantial.

 

[nps]

Anyone know the difference in price from a p-pump over a HRVP? Or a place to get me started in finding prices on p-pump conversions?

Scheid makes a kit. A P pump will run about as much as a HRVP. Then you pay again for the conversion kit. All in all, converting to a P-pump will run you double or more what the HRVP will run. Plus the P7100 needs to be set up once on the truck, and requires mechanical adjustment to make any changes - no more dial-a-power options.



A standard VP is about $600 less than the HRVP. You could just about do 3 standard VP changes for the price of a P-pump conversion.