Anyone give me a direct comparison between Coopers and Michellins?

[jsimpson]

I've run Michellins on cars; hard ride but excellent tire. I've run Coopers on cars; better ride, would not wear out. 80,000 miles before they started rotting. But I've never run either one on a truck!

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[Power Wagon]

Here in the Northwest, Les Schwab tire centers (there's a BUNCH of them) sell Dean tires (which are Cooper tires under another name) by the gazillion. If you go to Schwab's and then look at the Cooper lineup, you can see that a number of the tires are the same. I have only used two different Dean tires, and I can't say that I was all that impressed with them. However, both were the cheapest tires I could get, and the truck tires proved to have very little life, as far as miles went. But, they withstood crashing through the mountains and over rocks and gravel when loaded with nary a puncture or tear.

I've talked to some customers about them, and they seemed to think the Michelins were better tires. However, there's a place on the internet where you can buy Coopers for dirt cheap. Does 2 sets of coopers = 1 set of Michelins? Don't know, but that's the price advantage.

Check out www.costire.com

 

[F Simkowski (In Memory)]

Moving to Product/Accessories forum for exposure.

 

[lbrown]

My 91 4X4 came with Michellins. One tire ate a rock at about 10,000 miles which kind of put me off Michellins. I switched to Coopers and have stayed with Coopers because of price, availability and good wear. The Coopers are not the greatest when it comes to snow, not as much traction but with a 4X4 I very seldom need it. I did not notice a difference in ride (rough, its a 91!) or noise (its a diesel and I am almost deaf anyway). You may want to search for the word Michellin or tires. Others seem to favor Michellins, I don't mind the Coopers, they have not let me down.

 

[Bfulgham]

My 93 D-250 Had almost new michellens on it when I bought it. One was bad out of round. The dealer (wont mention names but national)said its too bad to get back on the road with but wouldnt make any kind of adjustment. I went to dealer I had bought Coopers from for where I worked and for myself and got a cooper to replace it. I have had coopers on A motor home and had good service from them. Cant say about mileage on Motor Home as I sold it.

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[FirstDiesel]

Up until a job change about 3 years ago, I was in tire development for a competitor of Michelin and Cooper. You will not get a straight answer here. Each company makes different lines (names) with different product expectations. If one guy bought a mud tire and used it 90% of the time on the road, he will probably say they wore fast, were loud, and rode rough. Not to mention all companies occasionally make a bad egg. As a general statement Michelin (French owned and huge around the world)is the disputed leader in tire quality, manufacturing, ride, and technology. Unfortunately there is no free lunch. You have to pay for it. Cooper (American and much smaller around the world) is much more conservative in technology and development, but what they lose here they gain in good 'ol Yankee ingenuity. Now that I am out of the tire business and no longer have access to free or discounted tires, I would buy either brand. I would make sure to compare apples-to-apples (tire size, designed use, traction grade, wear grade, number of plies, load rating, as comparable as possible) Personnaly, I would pay less than 5% for the quality that the Michelin name implies.

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[jsimpson]

Thanks guys; I've had a couple of bad Michellins; everyone can make a bad tire. My Coopers on my Buick went bad after about 60,000 miles of abuse and STILL had plenty of tread left! I can get the SRMII's mounted and balanced for $90 each, so I'm going with Cooper. Thanks for steering me clear of Firestones; they came highly recommended down here by fleet users!


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[Power Wagon]

Originally posted by FirstDiesel:
Up until a job change about 3 years ago, I was in tire development for a competitor of Michelin and Cooper. You will not get a straight answer here. Each company makes different lines (names) with different product expectations. If one guy bought a mud tire and used it 90% of the time on the road, he will probably say they wore fast, were loud, and rode rough. Not to mention all companies occasionally make a bad egg. As a general statement Michelin (French owned and huge around the world)is the disputed leader in tire quality, manufacturing, ride, and technology. Unfortunately there is no free lunch. You have to pay for it. Cooper (American and much smaller around the world) is much more conservative in technology and development, but what they lose here they gain in good 'ol Yankee ingenuity. Now that I am out of the tire business and no longer have access to free or discounted tires, I would buy either brand. I would make sure to compare apples-to-apples (tire size, designed use, traction grade, wear grade, number of plies, load rating, as comparable as possible) Personnaly, I would pay less than 5% for the quality that the Michelin name implies.

That's really interesting... I tried several different tires on my 72 chrysler, but nothing I could find would carry the weight adequately. Not until I got a full set of Cooper radials. The tire guy showed me the very built shoulders and stiff sidewalls on the coopers. I put them on that big beast and it drove wonderful!

I only got 25K miles out of the set. When that set wore out, I went back to get some more... and Cooper was discontinuing the tire... GRRRR!!!

Why? Well, relatively short life, and a stiff ride - not your average sedan tire.

But, I would have been happy to pay more to get them, as great as the car handled with them on it. Every other tire I had tried got the whitewalls and lettering ground off the sidewall when the tire rolled over cornering. I never once scarred these up, even though I drove it much harder with them on it.

On the other hand, I bought Cooper's WeatherMaster XGR's for my car. . 2X. They are absolutely amazing snow and ice tires. Non-studdable, but they grip like nothing i've ever seen. They drive aweful, compared to good performance tires on bare road, but in the snow and ice, they are nothing short of amazing.