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My neighbor bought a '90 Cummins and his old boss told him he always puts 1 gallon of 93 octane gas per diesel fillup because it makes it run better and gives him more power. l



Sounds like a bunch of BS to me. I tried to talk my neighbor out of it but he said he used to fill his boss's tank up like that and it ran OK.



Anyone ever heard of this??
 
Thats been an old way of making winter fuel with #2 about 3-5% , the power thing is not something that I've looked into , but it does have fewer BTUs but it burns at a differant rate , so you do get more power , ever hear of anybody putting gasaline in by mistake and blowing up there diesel eng. and on the reverse put diesel in a gasser and it will not run , theres a lot more to BTUs , centane , octane , burnrates , I do not mean to bash the other guys statement but - O Well.
 
I had a friend of mine try 35 gallons of gas in his 01 24v about 3 weeks ago.

It didnt run AT ALL! Died about 2 miles from the station.
 
octane and cetane indexes are INVERSE scales



some info from a TDR article



The light distillates that gasolines are made from have a natural high-octane index. The middle distillates that diesel fuels come from have a high cetane index. The octane and cetane indexes are INVERSE scales. A fuel that has a high octane number has a low cetane number, and a high cetane fuel has a low octane number. Anything with a high octane rating will retard diesel fuel’s ability to ignite. That’s why each fuel has developed along with different types of engine designs and fuel delivery systems. Gasoline mixed in diesel fuel will inhibit combustion in a diesel engine and diesel fuel mixed in gasoline will ignite too soon in a gasoline engine.

A lot of old-time mechanics added some gasoline to diesel to supposedly clean the carbon deposits out of the cylinders. I have never read anything that said it worked. Gasoline will make the fuel burn hotter, and hotter burning fuels burn cleaner. That’s probably where the theory got started. In the older diesel engines that belched lots of black smoke even when properly tuned, the result of adding gasoline was probably more white smoke instead of black. This might lead one to believe the engine was running cleaner. Maybe so, probably not. Here’s what happens.

Gasoline will raise the combustion temperature. This might or might not reduce carbon deposits in the cylinder. This also might or might not overheat the injector nozzle enough to cause coking on the nozzle. That’s a clogged injector tip in layman’s terms. The fuel being injected is the only thing that cools the nozzle. Diesel fuel has a lower combustion temperature than gasoline. The fuel injectors depend on the fuel burning at the correct rate and temperature for a long life. If the combustion temperature is raised long enough, the gums and varnishes in gasoline will start to cook right in the fuel injector and turn into carbon. These microscopic carbon particles will abrade the nozzle. High combustion temperatures alone will shorten fuel injector life, gasoline makes the problem worse.

Gasoline and alcohols do have an anti-gel effect on diesel fuel, but these fuels are too thin and will hurt the lubricity. Alcohols work as a water dispersant in small amounts, but also attract water in large amounts. Diesel fuel is already hydrophilic (attracts water) so why add to the problem. The old timers got away with this because high sulfur diesel fuel had enough lubricity to take some thinning. Today’s low sulfur diesel fuels have adequate lubricity, but I wouldn’t put anything in the tank that would thin out the fuel, reduce lubricity, or attract water.

Opposites do not attract in this case. Use any of the diesel fuel additives available to clean out carbon deposits, not gasoline or alcohols.

While we’re on the subject of fuels, let’s discuss another common question. What is cetane?

Cetane is to diesel fuel what octane is to gasoline. It is a measure of the fuel’s ignition quality and performance. Cetane is actually a hydrocarbon chain, its real name is 1-hexadecane. It is written as C16H34, or a chain of 16 carbon atoms with 34 hydrogen atoms attached. All HC chains are also referred to as paraffins. Cetane is a hydrocarbon molecule that ignites very easily under compression, so it was assigned a rating of 100. All the hydrocarbons in diesel fuel are indexed to cetane as to how well they ignite under compression. There is very little actual cetane in diesel fuel.

All the hydrocarbons in diesel fuel have similar ignition characteristics as cetane. Cetane is abbreviated as CN. A very loose way to think about cetane is if the fuel has a CN of 45, then the fuel will ignite 45% as well as 100% cetane. Diesel engines run just fine with a CN between 45 to 50. There is no performance or emission advantage to keep raising the CN past 50. After that point the fuel’s performance hits a plateau.

Diesel at the pump can be found in two CN ranges: 40-46 for regular diesel, and 45-50 for premium. The minimum CN at the pump is supposed to be 45. The legal minimum cetane rating for #1 and #2 diesel is 40. Most diesel fuel leaves the refinery with a CN of around 42. The CN rating depends on the crude oil the fuel was refined from. It varies so much from tanker to tanker that a consistent CN rating is almost impossible. Distilling diesel is a crude process compared with making gasoline. Gasoline is more of a manufactured product with tighter standards so the octane rating is very consistent. But, the CN rating at the diesel pump can be anywhere from 42-46. That’s why there is almost never a sticker on a diesel fuel pump for CN.

Premium diesel has additives to improve CN and lubricity, detergents to clean the fuel injectors and minimize carbon deposits, water dispersant, and other additives depending on geographical and seasonal needs. More biocides added in the south in summer, more ant-gel added in the north in winter. Most retailers who sell premium diesel will have little brochures called POPs (Point of Purchase) at the counter explaining what’s in their fuel. Please don’t ask the poor clerk behind the counter any technical questions after reading this discussion. All they need to know how to do is sell you beer, milk, cigarettes, lottery tickets, and take your money.

Texaco and Amoco are two big names who sell premium diesel in limited markets. Amoco primarily sells its Premier to specialized industrial and agricultural markets. I cannot get either in my area. Most fuel retailers buy additives or buy treated fuel. In the Northern plains states, Koch is a well-known marketer of premium diesel. I buy it when I travel into Northern Wisconsin.

Because there are no legal standards for premium diesel yet, it is very hard to know if you are buying the good stuff. I have good news. An ASTM task force has drafted standards for premium diesel. When the new specifications are accepted, information will have to be posted on the fuel pump. Retailers will no longer be allowed to label cheap blended diesel as ‘premium. ’ They will have separate pumps with clear labels on both informing the customer what is being sold. The marketing and labeling will be the same as with regular and premium gasoline. Retailers selling the real thing use this system now. Enforcement of all fuel standards is done at the state level in the USA.

Diesel fuel is an international commodity for industry. Therefore, you should be picky about where you fill up. Shop for price from a large volume retailer so you have the freshest fuel. That’s about the best advice I can give.

The 1994 legislation and reformulation of diesel fuel in North America is due to an international effort for lower emissions. Cleaner diesel emission laws are on the way. Diesel fuel is going to be reformulated into a cleaner fuel in general. Without getting too technical (this is over-simplified and very generalized), diesel fuel for the most part is made up of two different hydrocarbon families: paraffins and aromatics. The paraffins have a naturally high cetane index, burn clean, but cause the annoying gel problem in winter. The aromatics have a naturally high lubricity, low cetane index, and cause a lot of diesel emissions and soot. Reformulated diesel will have a higher paraffin content, higher cetane number, and a much lower aromatic and sulfur content. It will also be more prone to jelling and have a lower lubricity.
 
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The 12V's use engine oil to lube the I/P not like the 24V that use fuel



Not in that year of truck they don't. Stock pump is a VE44 that use fuel for lubrication and cooling. Introducing anything other than good diesel and lubricants into the fuel system is a good way to loose the pump. One gallon in 30 is not going to have an immediate effect but over a period of time will cause excessive wear. Today's diesel is already seriously short of lubricants and anything that reduces that is NOT a good idea. Instead of gasoline I would suggest you tell your neighbor about PS and MMO.
 
Oldtimers used diesel fuel as a winterizer for fuel in cold weather (-0* & below), but then only like 2-3 gallons to 125 gallons.



I wouldn't even think of ever using gasoline of any amount, in fuel for my Dodge. Good quick way to possibly void a warranty!
 
Gasoline in your diesel fuel in any amount is about as good for your truck as any amount of strict-9 in your sunday dinner! Gasoline has lower combustion teperatures than diesel, therefor premature detonation may occur. Hence, most diesels run at about 16 to 20-1 compression ratios, while gassers run at 9 to 11-1. And 6. 0's, well you can't have compression if it won't run at all! :-laf
 
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The 12V's use engine oil to lube the I/P not like the 24V that use fuel



Not in that year of truck they don't. Stock pump is a VE44 that use fuel for lubrication and cooling. Introducing anything other than good diesel and lubricants into the fuel system is a good way to loose the pump. One gallon in 30 is not going to have an immediate effect but over a period of time will cause excessive wear. Today's diesel is already seriously short of lubricants and anything that reduces that is NOT a good idea. Instead of gasoline I would suggest you tell your neighbor about PS and MMO.



Really I thought that the 12V's all were oil lubed my bad. Do the VE's have such a problem like the VP44s?
 
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Good quick way to possibly void a warranty!



Yep! Considering that your warranty can voided for inadvertently pumping diesel load with water into your tank, WHERE you put fuel in the tank is as important as WHAT you put in the tank.





The 94 thru arly 98 trucks had the P7100 pump that was lubed by engine oil. It was a lot tougher than any others but you could score the barrels easy enough with bad fuel. The 89 thru 93 trucks used a VE44, essentially a low pressure mechanical version of the VP44, and yes they had the same problems as the VP's when it came to dry fuel, contaminants, and low fuel pressure. The reason they lasted much better was the sulphur in the fuel at that time and the system used a mechanical pump that was tougher than nails. It was not unusual to have a lift pump perform adequately to well over 300k. A far cry from the lift pump life on a 24V, huh? :{
 
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