Anyone really pushing over 500 RWHP?

[AHutchison]

I have an '03 CTD with just a TST powermax cr and my truck threw codes at me that I suspected was because of the fuel box. So, I call up Mark (retired from Cummins testing power upgrades) at TST, told him the problem and he said that there was a later program version for the fuel box. So, I make the 2 hour trip to TST and he reburned it for me. He told me that this program was not as aggressive as the one I had. Boy was he right. Same power output, but not nearly as much smoke and the wastegate does not open up as easily. Definatly an improvement. Anyway, I started to pick his brain about turbos, injectors, etc. He was saying with his fuel box that no injectors made a single horse over what the box did by itself. Turbos- I was telling him that I have not found a decent upgrade. He said that he has not either. He had to fail turbos because they weren't doing anything over what the box did itself. Talked to him about exhaust and lowering EGT's. He said that the stock is fine and that the only thing that will lower EGT's is the turbo. All the claims on lowering EGT's and providing more hp were not true. They do not help a single bit. Basically, he saved me a lot of money. Anyway, back to the originally question, he said that they have not seen a truck break 500 RWHP on the dyno. The closest one that came was a duramax @ 487 RWHP. Basically, anyone who claims that they put out over 500 RWHP and live close to Columbus Indiana to pay the $75 dyno fee and prove to Mark that you can put out over 500 RWHP. There probably will be an incentive for going over 500 as Mark was telling me.

 

[SRadke]

Perhaps now he can see it. The old dyno they had use a pair of 11" rollers and I don't think you could get enough traction to turn them over 500 hp. My tires were hot/sticky/slipping at the low to mid 300 level.



-Scott

 

[geusterman]

Piers's personal 600 with TST, AFE and twin turbos does 460 rwhp. Problem now is fuel is pulled down to half pressure (per ocilliscope). Merrily we roll along... roll along... George

 

[geusterman]

... I forgot Piers also has 5" exhaust. George

 

[lmills]

So are you saying that Mark thinks that there are no trucks at all over the 500 HP mark? At first I thought you had this limited to the 3rd generation dodges then you mentioned the duramax. I have seen quite a few trucks dyno over 500 hp.

 

[Jim Fulmer]

Piers's personal 600 with TST, AFE and twin turbos does 460 rwhp



Way more than that now, a FASS system took care of the fuel supply pressure.



I can't remember the guys name at May Madness that did way over 500 with a TST and a PDR 40 only, but it's in this last issue in Joe D's write up about the event.



BOTW, the TST seems to be a single turbo killer..... any of them, but Twins are holding just fine.



Jim

 

[geusterman]

Piers has a FASS as well, it is the RAIL pressure that drops to 16,000. George

 

[1badplr]

500 Hp

I have a 03 that is making 520HP and a buddy who is making 540 RWHP! :-laf We were both at muncie and dynoed and the showed mark the results and he laughed and called that a mouse wheel of a dyno. Check out our sig, kwikspool, silver03. We both like helping people out unlike other people. We were told the same thing that there was no way that our trucks could make over 500 HP with injectors,fueling box, and timing box. PM either one of us.

 

[Gypsyman]

I see you have a MasterCote air box and torque tube. Do they have a website?

 

[qzilla]

How about over 600 ponies?



On a stock charger.





http://www.quadzillapower.com/bigdawg-dyno-results-small.wmv

 

[BRayls]

is that because he is not making 500 hp with his box? I would have said to him to put his truck on that lil dyno and see what it makes compared to his ,shop dyno. I have seen 402 hp with my current set-up. the injectors I have are going ,for a set from dd. but I am hoping that with a set of twins and the new injectors I will break 500,wait and see. but if mark said no way,I guess I will save my money :-laf , not. or was it that he was saying no tst equiped HPCR engines could do it. I do not think he was saying no diesel could do it,as we know Jims truck is well above that,as well as several others.

 

[1badplr]

don't bother with the twins, you can't put down enough fuel for twins in an 03 yet. a freind's truck made 482 with a stock turbo and 492 with a b1. i'd call that even. only need the turbo for EGTs.



piers only doing 460, thats sad. in our group, we have two trucks in the 500's two in the upper 400's.

 

[BRayls]

don't bother with the twins, you can't put down enough fuel for twins in an 03 yet. a freind's truck made 482 with a stock turbo and 492 with a b1. i'd call that even. only need the turbo for EGTs.



piers only doing 460, thats sad. in our group, we have two trucks in the 500's two in the upper 400's.

are they towing with 482hp on a stock turbo?you have two trucks in the 500's,how are they fueled?the reason I will change the turbo is to cool the egt's. do you know what the egt's on the b-1 truck towing?

 

[mattymac]

How about over 600 ponies?



On a stock charger.





http://www.quadzillapower.com/bigdawg-dyno-results-small.wmv

Hey quad, How about 600HP on a duramax with the stock charger on #2 only!!! Yeah right not even close. That video has a nice shot of NOS running through that d-max. We all know that a d-max can make good power with the stock charger (Big Whoop) on lots of drugs, and we all know this is for the EGT issue, Like the twins for the cummins. But I would rather spend the extra $$ and have a useable towable 600 HP on #2 only than a quick burst of 700 HP with only about 400 of it usable everyday. I have "Made" 450+ HP with my truck and less than $1,000 in mods, I drive around with a measured 380 HP daily and towable. As for Injectors and the TST, a nice fella out of DFW has some very nice injectors and turbos to match with the TST that is already been tested and thrashed upon with excellent results (100HP injectors, TST all levels, and 100 hp press. box with about 1200 max EGT's at 29lbs of boost!) we'll just have to wait untill the next dyno day to see just how good. :-laf

 

[qzilla]

I am not sure that all makes sense?





Show me a 03-04. 5 that makes 600ponies on #2 and they can tow with it. I will bow down. I think it is a challenge to hit 500rwhp on a single charger on #2 for most 03-04. 5 Cummins. I can do that on a stock truck with a single program.



The Cummins is definately strong, and I can guarantee that with a little more time they will be monsters like the earlier 24v's. Just not yet. I am not sure where some of this infor comes from.



Remember that as far as I know I was either the first or one of the first people to have injectors in a CR truck. We were the first to have twins.





BTW I offered to run on #2 at that dyno event, but no one would pony up??? I wonder why?



Also exactly how healthy of a shot of nitrous do you think I ran? I believe that we never even cracked the hood, so did we run a single or a whole lot?



Just FYI, if they would have strapped the truck right to start with we would have broke 700rwhp easy. Remember that it took 6 runs back to back to get a reading becuase the truck was so violent.



I need to dig up the runs of the 6xxhp on the CR truck! It may not be long until we do another CR truck anyway!



You know on Sept 18th we are having another drag race. Maybe the CR truck will come and play? Who cares about dyno #'s. Lets see how they run?

 

[Jim Fulmer]

piers only doing 460, thats sad.



That's with just the tiny little pressure box, not with the TST or them stacked... ... way over 5 now with zero EGT issues.



Jim

 

[BCarmicle]

I layed down 569hp about a month ago. This was on #2 only with twins. I liked my single but egt's were too hot. Picked up 60hp with the twins and egt's are much cooler. I'll be on the dyno again at Schied's the 27th.



Brandon

 

[mattymac]

I am not sure that all makes sense?





Show me a 03-04. 5 that makes 600ponies on #2 and they can tow with it. I will bow down. I think it is a challenge to hit 500rwhp on a single charger on #2 for most 03-04. 5 Cummins. I can do that on a stock truck with a single program.



The Cummins is definately strong, and I can guarantee that with a little more time they will be monsters like the earlier 24v's. Just not yet. I am not sure where some of this infor comes from.



Remember that as far as I know I was either the first or one of the first people to have injectors in a CR truck. We were the first to have twins.





BTW I offered to run on #2 at that dyno event, but no one would pony up??? I wonder why?



Also exactly how healthy of a shot of nitrous do you think I ran? I believe that we never even cracked the hood, so did we run a single or a whole lot?



Just FYI, if they would have strapped the truck right to start with we would have broke 700rwhp easy. Remember that it took 6 runs back to back to get a reading becuase the truck was so violent.



I need to dig up the runs of the 6xxhp on the CR truck! It may not be long until we do another CR truck anyway!



You know on Sept 18th we are having another drag race. Maybe the CR truck will come and play? Who cares about dyno #'s. Lets see how they run?

Quad, I was refering to twins on a cummins, what I said was I would rather spend the extra $$$ in building twins and have a hell of a towing truck (what diesels are mainly made for anyway) at a conservative 5-600 HP than a truck that cant manage EGT's without drugs and I cant have any power when towing! I know that the D-maxs are turbo impared to date and if they can make HP in the mid 700's like clint cannon did with or without drugs then I will say that they made the power, but He also got beat on the track as well so you can have all the HP in the world on the dyno but the way I see it If you cant use it then what good is it? As for the CR truck wasnt it 619HP? If you have a clip of it lets see it, Wasnt that run with some drugs as well? Also you said that "I think it is a challenge to hit 500rwhp on a single charger on #2 for most 03-04. 5 Cummins. I can do that on a stock truck with a single program. " Are you willing to tell about this unbelieveable program on making 500rwhp on a stock truck?

 

[therabbittree]

there is supposedly a local truck a 03 that dynoed at 550hp and 1100ftlbs . . here i need to meet him i heard hes kinda like me. . ha when he brought home his new truck his irst stop was my buddies shop... . ran inside and said "where is the 5" holesaw!" hahah did stacks right on the trip home... heheh man after my own heart. . have to meet this guy

later

Deo

\x/ Hillfolk!

 

[Big MAK]

Perspective; perspective; perspective.



I will state quite emphatically the ATS manifold lowers EGTs. Note that I tow. I will also state that a larger exhaust lowers EGTs; not as dramatic as the ATS. So for 'adding' power; keep perspective. If you want to add usable power then go ahead and spend some bucks on those upgrades when your wallet allows -- because you can't use it on anything but a quick burst on the dyno if it's going to melt your pistons going down the interstate. I like Mark Chapple; but I think he needs to tow more often.



As for the intake box; that's up for debate; I need to do some tests on whether or not that's helped at all.



I'm upgrading my turbos so I can put more power to the ground without twisting the input shaft out of the stocker and still tow with my truck. I've been running the stock turbo for six months now; towing quite a bit; and no problems at all. I know for a fact I'm running out of air to burn the fuel when the TST is in the 5 range for HP or above 3 for TQ. So twins are going in. I played with a powerjoke last wkend and set the TST on 6/4 for a quick run. I was towing about 2500lbs and he was empty. He was not stock and smoking like a smelter -- blew his doors off but hit 1500 on the pyro mighty quick! Gotta get those twins installed!



Still stock clutch too -- just don't lug with it or dump it to spin the tires and it'll hold up really well.