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Since my cooling system is going to completely void of coolant I am free to run anything I want without fear of incompatible coolants.

I am probably going to go back with G-05, it's 5 year coolant and has worked quite well. It has a freezing point, 50:50, of -34°F.

I have researched Cat ELC, Delo ELC, G48 (can't find a service life), Delvac HD, and a couple others. It seems that if I want to get above 5 years I need to do some sort of replenishment at 3 years, not a huge deal.

The only other one I am really considering is the Zerex Extended Life. It's rated for 6 years with a treatment at 3, and has a freeze point of -36°F.

Anyone have any experience or input? G05 does seem to be about the easiest coolant with a no-machinate 5 year interval.
 
cat ELC...in my ride....they have the best coolant...my friend who is in the radiator business runs it in all his stuff...and he builds radiators for all there equipment in the mines...just make sure you run distilled water to flush out anything that is left over in the block...I think i flushed my truck out like 5-6 times..
 
My block and radiator aren't in the truck, flush n clean... check.

ELC was my 1st choice, but my dad recently had to remove it from some MTU's because of a service bulletin claiming long term damage. So????

cat ELC...in my ride....they have the best coolant...my friend who is in the radiator business runs it in all his stuff...and he builds radiators for all there equipment in the mines...just make sure you run distilled water to flush out anything that is left over in the block...I think i flushed my truck out like 5-6 times..

Were you able to find ELC in concentrate? I thought they only sold pre-mix these days. The block doesn't drain 2-3 gallons, so a 50:50 premix would have you a lot less than 50% on a drain/fill in the truck.
 
What did MTU want it replaced with???

ELC is available in both pre-mix or straight coolant.

Gallon of Straight (Concentrate) is CAT Part # 238-8647

Gallon of Pre-Mix (50 - 50) is CAT Part # 238-8648

Mike.
 
The only other one I am really considering is the Zerex Extended Life. It's rated for 6 years with a treatment at 3, and has a freeze point of -36°F.

Anyone have any experience or input?

MSDS shows Zerex Extended Life has 2EHA. I don't know if (or when) Cummins/Dodge has ever approved coolant with 2EHA, but in the past when it first showed up (when my '97 was still fairly new) Cummins said it wasn't safe around some of their seals and gaskets. http://msds.ashland.com/
 
The block doesn't drain 2-3 gallons,

The engine, including the head only holds three gallons, most of it will drain. While your block is out, take a good look at it or pour water in one of the rear water/head coolant holes and see it doesn't run out the inlet. The inlet is the lowest point on the block cooling system so it has to drain. Due to block angle mounted in the truck it will retain a small amount.

Nick
 
MSDS shows Zerex Extended Life has 2EHA. I don't know if (or when) Cummins/Dodge has ever approved coolant with 2EHA, but in the past when it first showed up (when my '97 was still fairly new) Cummins said it wasn't safe around some of their seals and gaskets. http://msds.ashland.com/

Interesting. The Zerex page says it meets Cummins 14603, and that is the spec quickserve tells me to run??

The engine, including the head only holds three gallons, most of it will drain. While your block is out, take a good look at it or pour water in one of the rear water/head coolant holes and see it doesn't run out the inlet. The inlet is the lowest point on the block cooling system so it has to drain. Due to block angle mounted in the truck it will retain a small amount.

Nick

Last time I flushed the motor I was only able to drain about 4.5-5 gallons out with the drain on the radiator. That means that about 3 gallons stays in the system. According to Cummins the block capacity is 2.6 gallons, so most of that stays in there.
 
As long as you're completely dry, consider a switch to NPG. No corrosion, cavitation, or electrolysis, and it boils at 370*, so you can run the system at zero pressure, saving stress on the hoses, heater core, and radiator. I use it in my standby generator and my '83 Mercedes, it seems to work fine. Watch the video at www.evanscooling.com. Starting dry will eliminate the need for their prep fluid and the recommended refractometer to check for water contamination.
 
You don't have to run it at higher temp., there is a benefit if you want to. Email them with any questions, they'll get right back to you.
 
Interesting. The Zerex page says it meets Cummins 14603, and that is the spec quickserve tells me to run??

Based on the past problems with 2EHA, many of them connected with DexCool and made famous with the large class-action lawsuit that GM lost, the 2EHA component makes me nervious. Years ago Cummins released a letter naming 2EHA as the culprit in engine failures linked to seal and gasket failures that had ONLY occured in the presence of 2EHA. https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?43917-Cummins-alert [see post#11]

This may be old news for you as perhaps Cummins has improved their seals and gaskets, but for me if I go down to the parts store and get a gasket or seal for my '97, it may have been made in '97 and sat on the shelf since then, and it will still be vulnerable to 2EHA. Come to think of it, if that gasket or seal fits on a newer engine, it is now at risk.

Anyway, just trying to help.
 
Here is more from Cummins, back when long-life coolants were new:
http://dev.todaystrucking.com/cummins-nixes-long-life-coolants
Cummins Nixes Long-Life Coolants

By Rolf Lockwood, Posted: Oct 1, 1999 12:00 AM | Last Updated: May 31, 2012 03:03 PM
While both mystery and controversy surround the situation, you can no longer order Cummins Engine Co. power with a factory fill of "long-life" coolant. The only such product used for this purpose-over the last four years-was Texaco Extended Life Coolant, known as "TELC." But it's now claimed by Cummins to have caused coolant loss in some engines by damaging the silicone used in rocker-cover gaskets and other seals. The extent of the problem is unclear, but it may be that only a small number of factory-filled engines have been affected-3% in the case of the huge Florida-based Ryder Transportation Service fleet, and all of those were N14s with rocker-box problems. The lubricant division of Equilon Enterprises, the U.S. joint venture between Texaco and Shell Oil, denies that TELC is responsible, and also says that only N14 engines are affected. It notes that no other engine maker has reported a problem. In fact, it held a press conference at the Great American Truck Show in Dallas last month, during which representatives of Caterpillar, General Motors, and Ryder described their trouble-free use of TELC. Supportive letters from Detroit Diesel, Mack, and Navistar were also read to the press. TELC contains organic-acid additives, called "carboxylates," and nitrates. These organic inhibitors deplete very slowly, eliminating the need to add supplemental coolant additives (SCAs). At two years or 3000 hours, a specific "TELC extender" is added, giving another two years or 3000 hours of life. The coolant is claimed to provide high-temperature aluminum protection and to prolong water-pump life. Used in highway diesels for the last four years, TELC is also marketed by Caterpillar as Cat Extended Life Coolant, by Shell as Rotella Extended Life Coolant, and by Detroit Diesel as Power Cool Plus. A late-June letter from Cummins to truck OEMs and distributors stated: "...based on available data, Texaco's Extended Life Coolant and other similar formulations supplied by Equilon Enterprises ... should not be used in Cummins engines. "These organic-acid coolants appear to cause degradation of the silicone seals after 80,000 to 100,000 miles." The engine maker says these coolants cause silicone seals to shrink, harden, and crack. The rate of degradation depends on the temperature and time of exposure to the coolant. Water-pump seal life and coolant loss through "coolant creep" around seal and hose connections are other issues, it says. All Cummins engines have one or more silicone cooling-system seals. What should you do? Cummins initially recommended that ELC coolant in existing engines be drained and replaced with conventional coolant. But more recently the company said that "may not be necessary or helpful at this time" because it won't remedy the situation. It has continued to ask truck manufacturers to halt TELC factory fills. Cummins specifically recommends using traditional, fully formulated coolants that meet TMC (The Maintenance Council) Recommended Practices RP 329 and RP 330, or ASTM specifications D6210 and D6211. There's no easy way to tell what antifreeze is in your engine because no color standards have been developed for the different coolants. TELC is red, incidentally, which may help drivers on the road who need to top up. But beware: TMC's RP338 says that if more than 10% of conventional coolant is added to a system filled with ELC, the second coolant cancels out the benefits of the primary fill. The entire system must be drained. Equilon has continued to recommend the use of its long-life coolants, naturally enough, though not in N14s. However, in a joint statement released in August by Texaco and Cummins, the coolant maker agreed with Cummins that only conventional coolants should be used as factory fills until a solution is found. Ryder's senior maintenance manager, Art Trahan, says TELC "remains the only approved coolant for use in all Ryder-maintained vehicles." He added that Ryder continues to ask all truck makers to provide TELC as a factory fill. If you have Cummins power, contact Cummins or your truck manufacturer for more information. Even if you use other engine makes, check with those manufacturers. In the meantime, both Cummins and Equilon are looking for answers.
 
I just did a full flush on my truck , It took right at 4 gallons total and that is with block and radiator totally drained. Theres 2 drains on pass side at the bottom of where block holds coolant so you can get it all drained out . It takes a 8mm allen key to loosen.
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The system is 7.4 gallons, you are still missing 3.4 gallons. That is the same amount you get out without pulling the plugs.
 
My first 9 years were with G-05, without any coolant issues. I figured it was worth looking for a longer alternative, but truth be told nothing is as easy as G-05 for 5 years. Unless someone can show me that Cat ELC meets CES 14603 I will stick with G-05.
 
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