Anyone use red dye#2 in their 3rd gen?

[CATwrench]

I was wondering if anyone has (mistakenly) ran their 3rd gen on red dye fuel and if it seems exactly the same. I've always heard that there's no difference but I had a friend tell me it IS substandard fuel. I am 99. 9 percent sure it's the same but was curious if anyone has used it on a consistent basis. thanks-

 

[rangercris]

i keep two #2 tanks, one clear and one red. the first time i went to go fuel up my new truck (3am) i pumped about five gallons of red before i woke up. i have run red in other equipment/trucks when i knew it would be off the road for a tank or two.

no problems, it is only the road taxes that are the issue. my fuel guy has told me horror stories of giant fines.



so to set you at ease---yes it can be done---but be carefull. the 20-30 cents per gallon can cost you much more in fines.

 

[JDinNY]

It's the same stuff with a red dye added, so the feds can see if your cheating them :-{}

Used to be red had sulpher and clear didn't.

Now I believe they are all the same.

Have a great day,

jd

 

[ASchuerg]

To put you all to ease.

I delivered fuel oil Mobile, Exn. gasoline motor oil from bulk plant.

regular gas is 87 octain came from the same line as Marathon .

hightest 89 oct is a mix 60/40

premium 93 oct all clear put dye in at plant

diesel # 1 # 2 and red or off road the exact same. Off road run on highway can result in a up to a $ 10,000. 00 fine.

using marvel mystery oil can change the color of road diesel redish.

we would fill 2000 gal of 30 wt oil deliver and return fill the same tank with diesel or gasoline.

only time we were to was tanks was to before delivering hydralic oils.

 

[MRosinski]

Dont run High sulfur red cause it will carbon up your injectors real bad and make them knock real loud. I knew someone w/ an 05 who ran it for about 15,000 miles and when they pulled the injectors due to one leaking they looked like they had 100,000 miles on them. Low sulfur red is the same as on-road.

 

[DocDetonancour]

Every farmer in Spudland runs the red. Some even fill er up at the pump with red!

 

[mroodzant]

Red does have higher Sulpher. I was looking forward to buying red to run in the John Deere. Only problem is the Yanmar diesel recommends not using red diesel. Darn

 

[nickleinonen]

Red does have higher Sulpher

it all depends on supplier, not fuel color. . you can get a cat or cummins or ddc engine in a highway truck, and that same mechanically identical engine in a piece of off road equipment [software changes only] they both need the same quality of fuel in them for the mechanical fuel components. off road fuel use to have much more sulfer in it [and railroad fuel had even more still - blue dyed] but now with all the tighter emissions ratings [tier 2 & 3] the fuel quality effects the emissions very much, so now the major difference is price and color. other than that, the fuel is identical

 

[mroodzant]

So does that mean that the recommendation from the the manufacturer is based on outdated info.

 

[MRosinski]

You still have 2 grades of off-road. High and Low sulfur. Low sulfur is identical to the on-road stuff. It's the high sulfer fuel that alot of new engines arent recomended to be ran on.

 

[DavidBurt]

Every farmer I know runs red fuel in there ctd everything from first gens to third gens. The only problem I ever heard of was in a third gen because the guy didn't have a filter on his pump and sucked up the dregs out of the bottom of the tank. Really nasty ended up pulling the tank and going through about 5 fuel filters.

Dave

 

[JDinNY]

We operate 31 pieces of Caterpillar equipment, 35 front discharge concrete mixers, 26 tri axle dump trucks, and 4 dump trailers, oh, and an 1800 kva MTU genset. Our fuel tanker loads from the same dump, for off road or on road fuel, and the man at the fuel depot adds the dye to the off road fuel. This is in new York state. This indicates to me, that they are the same low sulper fuel, red dye added to the off road so the feds can see if you are using lower tax rated off road fuel in your road vehicle. I am sure someone will want to argue this point, but I have seen it myself. Don't know what the other states do, but this is what is happening in NY.

Have a great day,

jd

 

[Murle]

Low-sulfur diesel fuel will begin replacing conventional diesel starting in 2006. The new fuel will contain 97% less sulfur than conventional diesel—sulfur will be reduced from 500 parts per million (ppm) to 15 ppm.



The new rule requires refiners and importers to produce highway diesel meeting a 15 parts per million (ppm) maximum requirement, starting June 1, 2006; however, pipelines are expected to require refiners to provide diesel fuel with an even lower sulfur content, somewhat below 10 ppm, in order to compensate for contamination from higher sulfur products in the system, and to provide a tolerance for testing. Diesel meeting the new specification will be required at terminals by July 15, 2006, and at retail stations and wholesalers by September 1, 2006. Under a “temporary compliance option” (phase-in), up to 20 percent of highway diesel fuel produced may continue to meet the current 500 ppm sulfur limit through May 2010; the remaining 80 percent of the highway diesel fuel produced must meet the new 15 ppm maximum.





Red is the same as anyother color of diesel fuel. Only difference is the color. No more or no less sulfur.

 

[The patriot]

Around here red is the same as #2 depending on what depot you get it from .

North jersey seems to all be lo sulphur, as the die is added at the rack.

South jersey (Eagle point etc>) is... or at least was the last time I checked High Sulphur.

As said by others, depends on the perticular supplier.

Eric

 

[JCrockett]

We don't even have red dye up here in AK. You just fill up the Aux tank with #2 "Truck Diesel" at a bulk plant and go in and tell them it is for off road, burner fuel, etc. and they take the tax off. So I think red dye is just that, I don't think the sulfur content is any different. I kmow my old man runs red dye in both his CTD and has had no problems. You just take the risk of getting a fine if you get caught.

 

[FDNYMOPARGUY]

Along the same lines of the low vs. hi sulfer fuel, I recently took my '05 out to Texas from NY. Black soot all over the tailpipe (chrome) and rear quarter panel. Never happened with Northeast fuel. Truck felt peppier too, but maybe just my imagination (or I was just missing my '02 too much).

 

[ASchuerg]

OK let's end it debate that is or expert advice.

Fact as of July 2006 one grade of diesel will only be allowed to be dispensed. EPA has mandated LOW SULFER diesel only.

Red fuel or will only designate fuel that has been sold and no tax was paid on.

Engine designed for high sulfer will continue to run on the new standards with supposedly no ill effects. I f they don't you will just need to replace them with more fuel efficient fuel burners to meet emission standards set forth for diesel cars and trucks.

EPA RULES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Diesel Power]

sorry but there is no such thing as no ill effects when using low sulfer fuel. the low sulfer fuel ===high fuel system wear rates, because the fuel system is directly lubricated by the fuel, sulfer is a good lubricant---with out a decent amount the protection is gone. the only way around this future problem is running a cetain booster and a diesel fuel additive, it will bring you fuel back up to a safe level, not by replacing sulfer but adding a lot more lubricity to the fuel... . Oo.

 

[tobaccogrower]

home heating fuel

what about home heating fuel? i've been running it in my trucks without any problems. (99, 04. 5, 06) is it the same as red dye #2?... james

 

[jrobinson2]

Everything I've read has said that sulphur is not a lubricant at all, the reason 500ppm fuel caused problems when it was first used was the lubricants removed with the sulphur, they solved that problem by adding lubricants to the fuel.

The #1 and #2 diesel fuels we are using now have lubricants added and the ultra low sulphur will continue to have these added, probably in larger quantities to offset the lubricants removed with the sulphur.



Home heating fuel does not have any lubricants added, you should definitely use an additive with home heating fuel.