Apportioned plates....

[MMeier]

Who runs them on thier Dodge and what is your view on who should? TIA !!

 

[BigIronRam]

When I ran commercially, I ran them, had to. That's the only reason I'd use them, very expensive, paperwork hassles.



Robert

 

[PatrickCampbell]

Here is what I have learned.



If you are over 26K (single or combination) AND you are interstate (depends in your state though), you will need apportioned. The problem may (or may not) be that your state won't know how to register your combination as non-apportioned 26K.



Do I need an IRP (apportioned) vehicle registration?



"Apportioned Vehicle" means any vehicle, except recreational vehicles, vehicles displaying restricted plates, buses used in transportation of chartered parties, and Government-owned vehicles, used or intended for use in two or more member jurisdictions that allocate or proportionally register vehicles and is used for the transportation of persons for hire or designed, used or maintained primarily for the transportation of property and:



* Is a power unit having two axles and a gross vehicle weight or registered gross vehicle weight in excess of 26,000 pounds; or

* Is a power unit having three or more axles, regardless of weight; or

* Is used in combination, when the weight of such combination exceeds 26,000 pounds gross vehicle weight.

 

[E7mack96]

I run apportioned tags on my Dodge. I have ir registered at 26,000. I also run apportioned tags on my little 1 axle trailer. The 1 axle trailer was a pain in the derrier. THe state wants a title for apportioned vehicles, byt the trailer just had a cert of origin. They worked it out and got me my plates. The cost for the rams plated for regular state comerical plates was like 140. 00. As an apportioned, it runs about $250 /yr. The benefit is I can legally run in all 48 states. As I am under 26,001 I don't need to do IFTA.



I run it that way because all my other trucks are apportioned and now, I can renew this setup at the same time, through the mail.

 

[PatrickCampbell]

You don't have to apportion trailers at all, and you technically don't have to apportion under 26001 either but doing so is probably going to save you hassle by DOT people. They should know though that you don't have to apportion...



However, I was told that if you do IRPA, you have to do IFTA too by the NJ DOT. For me I would rather just steer clear of either of those...

 

[MMeier]

To apportion or not to apportion, that is the question... ... . I am going to up my registered GVW to 25,999 and keep it "personally registered" , how does that sound?

 

[PatrickCampbell]

Does NV have non-apportioned commercial registration ?

 

[MMeier]

Does NV have non-apportioned commercial registration ?

As far as I can tell, yes they do. My main concern is while running through other states, mainly ones that partake in the single state registration program. Is the SSR and having an apportioned registration tied in together or are they 2 seperate things? My buddy had to pull into the portable check point that get sets up from time to time on I 15 south of Vegas the other afternoon, and all the NV DOT guys wanted to see is his registration set up for a more then adequate GVW. So when he goes to DMV yesterday , of course no one , (even in the "Commercial" branch he stopped in at) had no comprehension of how an Apportioned tag applies to a "1 ton pick up", regardless of what it is hauling, much less why he wanted to up his GVW to 25,999, lovely huh? The lady I'm dealing with setting up my MC stuff says, yes I do need the apportioned tag because I'll be going through other states that do issue apportioned tags for anything commercial. Am I making any sense here?

 

[PatrickCampbell]

SSR and Apportioned are totally different. You will definitely have to do SSR if you are interstate, commercial and for hire. I think it is required if you are interstate, commercial and not for hire too. SSR means something like "yes I have the required insurance". It is basically a yearly fee nothing else. It is not expensive either. For all states the total is something like $260 per year. Since Nevada does not do apportioned, you would sign up with the closest state of your choice ( I would not do California because I don't like California).



Unfortunately, you will hear a different answer from every single person. My DMV people here in NJ say as long as I am not over 26K even if I am interstate, I don't need apportioned until I'm at 26001. They also said that I could do apportioned if I wanted to, and it'd probably save me some hassle from other states DOT people but technically it is not required.



Although I haven't figured out how to register exactly yet, I am pretty sure I'm not going to apportion ... because I don't have to! I can't figure out if I'm supposed to register my truck for 12K (the gvwr) or 26K (the gcwr). I need to register my trailer first to determine whether or not that has a weight designation on the registration in which case I will register it at 14K and truck at 12K so that my total is 26k. I don't want to register my truck at 26K and trailer at 14K and someone trying to tell me that my "registered gcwr is 26K+14K=40K". Let me ask you, on your friends truck/trailer, what is his registration for the truck at, weight wise... and what does his trailer registration look like?



Here is Utah SSR: http://www.udot.utah.gov/index.php/m=c/tid=402



Here is Kali: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vehindustry/ssrs/ssrsinfo.htm

 

[MMeier]

My buddies truck is an 05 Duralax ( I know, I know, I tried to convince him) that originally was at 10,001 for whatever reason, probably what DMV automatically puts it at. Thats what started up with the cops the other afternoon. So after 8. 5 hours and 6 visits to local DMV offices, he has the truck "personally registered" at 25,999# and his trailer ( a 35'+5" dove GN Tri axle at 18,000#, both regular plates. Right now I am awaiting final approval for my authority, just kicked in the high dollar insurance Tuesday, have my new signs made and ready to go. Picking up my 35' GN in Okla later this coming week, plan to start running the following week as long as I have my final OK, am I supposed to wait till I get the SSR thing back or is OK as long as I sent it in. I am using Cal. for now since Nv and Az don 't participate. Main states I'll be running are Ca. ,Az. ,Nv. , NM. , Tx. ,Ok. , and MAYBE Id. Thanks for the replies Patrick !!

 

[PatrickCampbell]

I think you are supposed to wait for it technically. Tom Cobb on hothothauling.com says SSR is one of the things they ask for the most at the coops.



I am not up and running yet myself... just curious ... do you get some kind of insurance certificate from the FMCSA after your insurance company files your insurance? If so how long does that take? I was checking California's website and it says they check the website to see if you have insurance filed so that should speed up the process on the SSR.

 

[MMeier]

I believe you don't get an actual "insurance certificate" per se, got my cab card for that when I paid the insurance last week. But you don't get your actual authority till the feds get that info from the insurance company. Been checking the safersys site several times a day to see if it went through yet or not. :-laf You know about that site, correct?

 

[MMeier]

Time permitting tomorrow, I'll go to DMV and attempt to register the ol' Dodge @ 25,999, regular plates. Met up with my buddy today and the synopsis is , to go by your "home state" , other states may try to tell you you need the apportioned BS to run through their states, but it is not as long as your power unit is not registered there. Even if you have your SSR set up there, if it is registered else where it is not required till after 26,001 for the tractor OR over 55,000 tractor and trailer, Nevada rules, wish me luck guys , I may need it !!