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Sorry, I could not post an answer to all the accusations of being a socialist, communist, and general lay about. You see I have just finnished a typical 24 hour and four callouts within my go nowhere union contract job. I am sure the company would pay me what they are now if there wasn't a Union. I put in an average of 110 hours per two weeks in my own lazy way and have only been called out three times in the last 12 hours. Its a good thing I have others to perform my job for me so I can reap the benefits (thats some funny stuff).
I think the thing that is bugging most of the Capitilists on this thread is the fact that they might have to give a little back to the community and are not being thanked proper. Not even a kiss huh?
I really don't have a problem with giving to others, if it helps someone get back on their feet. (I myself can and will not ever be able to stand up to the paper and red tape it takes to draw such benefits. ) Or if it helps someone who has worked all their life and fallen on bad times or bad circumstance. The basic idea of welfare and most social programs were made with the best intentions. The abuse and mismanagement of the same programs is most of what we see and hear of now. I approve of a helping hand, I do not approve of three generations of welfare in the same family. Reform has not done much good and when it does, we in America will find what true revolution is all about.
I do not have a problem with someone who earns two or three million a year. I don't know of any mans labor that is worth that much, but more power to em. What I for the life of me can't understand is a Company spending millions of dollars to keep a Union out. I guess some egos can't stand to have labor have any rights.
I am sorry, but I have to go back to work... ... ... ... .
Sorry, I could not post an answer to all the accusations of being a socialist, communist, and general lay about. You see I have just finnished a typical 24 hour and four callouts within my go nowhere union contract job. I am sure the company would pay me what they are now if there wasn't a Union. I put in an average of 110 hours per two weeks in my own lazy way and have only been called out three times in the last 12 hours. Its a good thing I have others to perform my job for me so I can reap the benefits (thats some funny stuff).
I think the thing that is bugging most of the Capitilists on this thread is the fact that they might have to give a little back to the community and are not being thanked proper. Not even a kiss huh?
I really don't have a problem with giving to others, if it helps someone get back on their feet. (I myself can and will not ever be able to stand up to the paper and red tape it takes to draw such benefits. ) Or if it helps someone who has worked all their life and fallen on bad times or bad circumstance. The basic idea of welfare and most social programs were made with the best intentions. The abuse and mismanagement of the same programs is most of what we see and hear of now. I approve of a helping hand, I do not approve of three generations of welfare in the same family. Reform has not done much good and when it does, we in America will find what true revolution is all about.
I do not have a problem with someone who earns two or three million a year. I don't know of any mans labor that is worth that much, but more power to em. What I for the life of me can't understand is a Company spending millions of dollars to keep a Union out. I guess some egos can't stand to have labor have any rights.
I am sorry, but I have to go back to work... ... ... ... .
Enough rest for you comrade... . 
Eric
Eric
One thing's for sure Champaign - you DON'T "get it", at least as far as many/most conservatives/capitalists are concerned - you are confusing *personal* GENEROSITY, liberality, and concern for the less fortunate, with FORCED or LEGISLATED social programs!
I am about as conservative as they come - but my wife and I support 3 Guatamalan children with monthly income for education, food and housing - as well as several local charities of OUR choosing - but WE DECIDE for OURSELVES what we will support, and in what fashion - we do it because we WANT TO, and have sufficient means to do so - NOT because some bleeding heart liberal in Washington got a bug up their butt and decided FOR us!
There's NO WAY a person can be forced to NOT be personally generous and "liberal" if they choose - and generosity/liberality are 2 of the greatest personal attributes of human-kind - but FORCED generosity and liberality - and seizing goods from ONE person or class of individuals by FORCE, to then be redistributed to an arbitrarily chosen few of OTHERS is a self-defeating activity, it makes SLAVES out of BOTH class - the ones receiving, and the ones being doled out to!
You wanna be PERSONALLY "liberal", and generous? Have at it and GOOD FOR YOU - but DON'T expector demand that the rest of society march to YOUR personal agenda, and don't propose to enact legislation to FORCE us to YOUR version of generosity against our will!
NOW, do you understand the DIFFERENCE between WILLING, *personal* generosity and liberality, and the tainted and abusive "liberality" forced upon our society by the government?
I am about as conservative as they come - but my wife and I support 3 Guatamalan children with monthly income for education, food and housing - as well as several local charities of OUR choosing - but WE DECIDE for OURSELVES what we will support, and in what fashion - we do it because we WANT TO, and have sufficient means to do so - NOT because some bleeding heart liberal in Washington got a bug up their butt and decided FOR us!
There's NO WAY a person can be forced to NOT be personally generous and "liberal" if they choose - and generosity/liberality are 2 of the greatest personal attributes of human-kind - but FORCED generosity and liberality - and seizing goods from ONE person or class of individuals by FORCE, to then be redistributed to an arbitrarily chosen few of OTHERS is a self-defeating activity, it makes SLAVES out of BOTH class - the ones receiving, and the ones being doled out to!
You wanna be PERSONALLY "liberal", and generous? Have at it and GOOD FOR YOU - but DON'T expector demand that the rest of society march to YOUR personal agenda, and don't propose to enact legislation to FORCE us to YOUR version of generosity against our will!
NOW, do you understand the DIFFERENCE between WILLING, *personal* generosity and liberality, and the tainted and abusive "liberality" forced upon our society by the government?
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As Doc Tinker Sees It:
If we have a Republican majority between congress, the presidency, govenorships and state houses we're a Republic
If we have a Democratik majority between congress, the presidency, govenorships and state houses we're a Democracy
Doc viewpoint
If we have a Republican majority between congress, the presidency, govenorships and state houses we're a Republic
If we have a Democratik majority between congress, the presidency, govenorships and state houses we're a Democracy
Doc viewpoint
IMHO
Vote Libertarian.
Any other way, and youre just picking who will have their way with you.
http://www.lp.org/
http://www.self-gov.org/
http://www.libertarian.org/
Eric
PS I've never heard of ANY communist that was content with just a "little" control.
Vote Libertarian.
Any other way, and youre just picking who will have their way with you.
http://www.lp.org/
http://www.self-gov.org/
http://www.libertarian.org/
Eric
PS I've never heard of ANY communist that was content with just a "little" control.
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Little
And I have yet to see a Capitalist that wanted just a LITTLE money.
And I have yet to see a Capitalist that wanted just a LITTLE money.
A lot of capalists have took the gamble to make that money. If that's how they made it, I havent got a problem with that.
Eric
Eric
OK - and how many *Liberals* have you seen who HONESTLY only wanted "a little money" - and keep in mind that what is a "little" to YOU may be different than is what is a LITTLE to Bill Gates... . 
Wealth - like generosity - varies in viewpoint from one individual to another - who's gonna judge - YOU or ME?
Wealth - like generosity - varies in viewpoint from one individual to another - who's gonna judge - YOU or ME?
Use the
Perception is like the right hand mirror? Things may be larger? Is Bill Gates a liberal?
Perception is like the right hand mirror? Things may be larger? Is Bill Gates a liberal?
It's really very simple. I can't tell others what to do with THEIR money and I don't want them telling me what to do with the money I earned! C. F. - There's nothing wrong with being a union member. I'm a bricklayer and joined the union so that I will have another pension when I'm old and broken down. It was MY decision to join and invest MY money for later. I know unions donate alot of money to the dems. In my opinion, there is no difference between R's and D's, two rails under the same train. I'm happy to "THROUGH" away my vote on Independents. To all of the supporters of the social programs, ask yourself this question: Since the enactment of all of these, has the problem been reduced? or has EVERYONE of them gotten worse? Remember, this country grew into the most powerful country in history without any safetynets. Rich
Like and?
Maybe I am not making myself clear. I do NOT like giving my money to the goverment either. I have to though, unless I want to go to jail. I have been doing it so long it is second nature and I expect it to go on. I am NOT the one who judges who gets these benefits and who does not. I do not mind if my money goes to a good use, such as helping someone who needs help and is willing to work, these benefits should be of very short duration. Do I approve of the idea of social programs? Yes. Do I approve of abuse of social programs? NO!
I do think I "GET IT" as Gary would say. Generosity of others is not a strong point when it comes to social programs. How many of you would volunteer earnings to Medicaid, Medicare, SS, or Welfare? It is a evil that has gotten out of control over the years and has no remedy in sight.
Medicaid is a program that is supposed to be for the indigent to provide medical care, instead it supports a whole generation of unwed mothers who breed just for the benefits and take their kids to the emergency room everytime they cough. You or I cannot afford to do this and our insurance companys regulate our every move.
Medicare is a program that was supposed to give medical care to the elderly. It does to a point and then cuts them off and makes them eat up their hard earned savings to survive. Both Medicaid and Medicare are the most abused of all the programs. In most cases the doctors and hospitals are the biggest abusers.
SS is supposed to be supplemental income for the retired who have paid into it for years. Instead it is for every person who has a disability or has lost a family member who (supposidly) helped support the family.
Welfare was supposed to help indigent with food, clothing, and housing for a short period of time until they get on their feet. Instead it has supported the lazy ( not all cases ) and no accounts for four generations. And I see it going on and on, no matter what regulations our goverment passes. They seem to find loopholes in the new rules and timetables and continue to draw it.
To sum it up ALL the social programs our goverment has put in effect are in error. Do we dump them all? A little late for that. If we do we will have a class war, a revolution like no other. They outnumber us by a large margin. They are armed, most have NO morals, and NO fear of death. They already live in a cesspool. With no social programs where would they go, maybe California and live under the bridge? Nobody wants unemployed, under fed, oversexed, alcoholics, drug addicts, drug dealers, and familys living in cars in their backyard. It cannot be fixed overnight.
So we have to look at it as a nessesary evil at this point. We will have to wean it slowly and in the meantime support meaningful reform (if there is such a thing). Death and taxes are the only thing we can count on... ... .
We can whine and cry about it all we want, it will not change the facts. At least we can ***** about it and not get arrested. Try that in Cuba... ... ... ... ... ... .
I have come to the conclusion that arguing on the internet is like running in the Speicial Olympics. Somebody may look like they win, but your both still retard... ... ... ... ... ... ... .....
Maybe I am not making myself clear. I do NOT like giving my money to the goverment either. I have to though, unless I want to go to jail. I have been doing it so long it is second nature and I expect it to go on. I am NOT the one who judges who gets these benefits and who does not. I do not mind if my money goes to a good use, such as helping someone who needs help and is willing to work, these benefits should be of very short duration. Do I approve of the idea of social programs? Yes. Do I approve of abuse of social programs? NO!
I do think I "GET IT" as Gary would say. Generosity of others is not a strong point when it comes to social programs. How many of you would volunteer earnings to Medicaid, Medicare, SS, or Welfare? It is a evil that has gotten out of control over the years and has no remedy in sight.
Medicaid is a program that is supposed to be for the indigent to provide medical care, instead it supports a whole generation of unwed mothers who breed just for the benefits and take their kids to the emergency room everytime they cough. You or I cannot afford to do this and our insurance companys regulate our every move.
Medicare is a program that was supposed to give medical care to the elderly. It does to a point and then cuts them off and makes them eat up their hard earned savings to survive. Both Medicaid and Medicare are the most abused of all the programs. In most cases the doctors and hospitals are the biggest abusers.
SS is supposed to be supplemental income for the retired who have paid into it for years. Instead it is for every person who has a disability or has lost a family member who (supposidly) helped support the family.
Welfare was supposed to help indigent with food, clothing, and housing for a short period of time until they get on their feet. Instead it has supported the lazy ( not all cases ) and no accounts for four generations. And I see it going on and on, no matter what regulations our goverment passes. They seem to find loopholes in the new rules and timetables and continue to draw it.
To sum it up ALL the social programs our goverment has put in effect are in error. Do we dump them all? A little late for that. If we do we will have a class war, a revolution like no other. They outnumber us by a large margin. They are armed, most have NO morals, and NO fear of death. They already live in a cesspool. With no social programs where would they go, maybe California and live under the bridge? Nobody wants unemployed, under fed, oversexed, alcoholics, drug addicts, drug dealers, and familys living in cars in their backyard. It cannot be fixed overnight.
So we have to look at it as a nessesary evil at this point. We will have to wean it slowly and in the meantime support meaningful reform (if there is such a thing). Death and taxes are the only thing we can count on... ... .
We can whine and cry about it all we want, it will not change the facts. At least we can ***** about it and not get arrested. Try that in Cuba... ... ... ... ... ... .
I have come to the conclusion that arguing on the internet is like running in the Speicial Olympics. Somebody may look like they win, but your both still retard... ... ... ... ... ... ... .....
Brian asks:
"Gary I gotta ask - why not three American kids?"
Ya musta MISSED the other part of my post where I referenced "a couple of OTHER charities"...
That's the bad part of using yourself as any sort of an example - it sorta leaves ya open for criticism, when all you are REALLY trying to do is make a point...
Fact is we have provided similar types of support for needy kids in the US for FAR more years than those in Guatamala... And I am not ashamed of ANY support we provide to kids in ANY country or nationality!
"Gary I gotta ask - why not three American kids?"
Ya musta MISSED the other part of my post where I referenced "a couple of OTHER charities"...
That's the bad part of using yourself as any sort of an example - it sorta leaves ya open for criticism, when all you are REALLY trying to do is make a point...
Fact is we have provided similar types of support for needy kids in the US for FAR more years than those in Guatamala... And I am not ashamed of ANY support we provide to kids in ANY country or nationality!
Well this was an interesting post. I look at the TDR website every couple of days but only this area on my midnight shift about 3 am once a week. It was a nice discussion until someone attacked an individual and not his point of view. CF don't beat yourself up. We are all different and that's what makes this country great. It's a free country and anyone who dislikes it enough may move.
Oh yea. Yuo guys keep harping on welfare. It takes the heat off my farm subsidies. Other wise I can't bomb a new truck every other year. Who's going to pay for my boat? I need a new JD. the air conditioning is out in the '99.
Rick T.
Oh yea. Yuo guys keep harping on welfare. It takes the heat off my farm subsidies. Other wise I can't bomb a new truck every other year. Who's going to pay for my boat? I need a new JD. the air conditioning is out in the '99.
Rick T.
Rick, a difference of OPINION is hardly an "attack"!
I certainly have nothing but full respect for CF - AND his opinion, it's merely that MY opinion differs somewhat from his! It doesn't make us enemies - nor will I avoid future exchanges and respect for him or others whose personal opinions differ from my own - that's all a part of life - and the ability to remain friends in spite of differences of viewpoint is part of adult maturity...
I certainly have nothing but full respect for CF - AND his opinion, it's merely that MY opinion differs somewhat from his! It doesn't make us enemies - nor will I avoid future exchanges and respect for him or others whose personal opinions differ from my own - that's all a part of life - and the ability to remain friends in spite of differences of viewpoint is part of adult maturity...
Originally posted by Gary - KJ6Q
Brian asks:
"Gary I gotta ask - why not three American kids?"
Ya musta MISSED the other part of my post where I referenced "a couple of OTHER charities"...
That's the bad part of using yourself as any sort of an example - it sorta leaves ya open for criticism, when all you are REALLY trying to do is make a point...
Fact is we have provided similar types of support for needy kids in the US for FAR more years than those in Guatamala... And I am not ashamed of ANY support we provide to kids in ANY country or nationality!
Gary,
I didn't intend to criticize. Just read 'other charities' as more along the lines of giving money time to a group, not necessarily to 'individuals'. I assumed (yes, I know what it means... ) that there was some particular reason since you said Guatamalen kids. No disrespect intended.
Bill Lins - Gee thanks for looking out for us Californians... IMO Wharton, Brazosport, Freeport, Clute, Lake Jackson would make a much better home for the freeloaders of our country
Brian
Originally posted by NVR FNSH
IMO Wharton, Brazosport, Freeport, Clute, Lake Jackson would make a much better home for the freeloaders of our country
Brian
Nope- no room for freeloaders here- too many working folks! Besides, we wouldn't want to disrupt the Great Mosquito Festival, would we?
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