Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Ashless 2 stroke in every tank

[d2500]

Your thoughts? Experiences?

 

[Riflesmith]

Been adding this oil to fuel since new. 1/2 oz. per gallon summer fuel, 1 oz. per gallon winterized fuel. 97k miles now and no fuel pump problems. I realize this proves little to nothing, but it makes me feel better to know I'm doing something about the lubricity level of my fuel. I don't trust the fuel suppliers to do this for me.

Replacing the VP44 is too expensive to leave this to chance.

 

[illflem]

Why not just use a designed for diesel lubricity additive?

Probably cheaper and has additional qualities that two cycle oil lacks.

I could see using two cycle oil back in the days when diesel additives were hard to come by but that's not the case nowadays.

 

[Cooker]

I agree with illflem.



If you want extra lubricity run some Biodiesel in every tank. I would much rather do that then add oil. JMHO

 

[Doubleclutch]

The way modern chemistry has gone, it doesn't make sense to try and out-wit the pointy-headed guys who do this for a living. If you don't trust the fuel supplier, there are a lot of quality additives that aren't designed for engines that go "brrringa-a-dingding" And a lot of the guys writing on this board are worth listening to (present author excepted).

Greg

 

[d2500]

Just looking for some additional help…

I just returned from a 2000 mile trip where I had to replace the VP44 half way through. Being left stranded wasn’t fun, and I had much more exciting plans for the $1000 I spent on a new pump. On the return leg, at every fill-up, I looked for diesel additive. My only criteria, is that it had to have some mention of lubrication on the bottle in addition to its “cleaning” properties. Three separate stops, in three different states, and not a one had it! They all did, however, have ashless 2 stroke oil sitting on the shelf next to the regular fuel treatments - and at no more than half the cost of any of the fuel treatments.



And for the record, I’m not trying to outwit ANYONE, but rather looking for some extra protection to offset the additional ware excerpted when running a comp (especially when you hit 5x5).



Here’s how I see it:

1. 2 stroke engines rely on a mixture of oil with the gas for lubrication

2. Our VP44 relies solely on the diesel for lubrication, and as many of us have found out the hard way, this sometimes is not enough.

3. Ashless 2 stroke is intended to be burned without leaving deposits.

4. 2 stroke oil serves as a lubricant.



So what’s wrong with adding a bit of oil? It may burn a bit faster than the Diesel, but at 1 oz or less per gallon, so what? Are there other factors that I’m missing (other than the fact that I may be solely responsible for global warming)?

 

[Ncostello]

1oz per gallon sounds high. I think my Stihl saw uses 1oz per gallon for a 50:1 mixture. I cant remember. It turns the gallon of gas fairly dark however.



There is probably nothing wrong using it in a pinch. But then again in a pinch I wont use anything cause I shouldn't have to according to Cummins.



I surely cant say 2 stroke will hurt. Likewise unless a person is a chemist, you really cant say it will help either in a diesel. Who knows what or how the stuff reacts with diesel and what happens when its pressure is increased very high inside the pump.



Stanadyne Performance Formula is my choice. Has been for years at the fire house too. Power Service seems good too. There are others that are proven to work in diesels. I'm not sure two stroke oil is proven in diesels. You may want to protect that new pump with proven and known technology. Or at least use Klotz caster racing two stroke for that sweet racing dirt bike smell .

 

[ZR600]

In Arctic Cat snowmobiles with fuel injection it states you must not premixthe fuel with oil during break in. In all carbed snowmobiles you do premix for the first tank. It has been a know fact that Arctic Cat claimed it clogged the fuel injectors. Don't know if this is so on a diesel as our fuel is more like oil and our fuel is sprayed with much more than the 35 PSI on the snowmobiles. Just an FYI... ... ... ... ... Brian

 

[illflem]

How about this Fleetguard product instead?

http://www.fleetguard.com/fleet/pdfs/product_lit/fleetguard_brochures/LT15200.pdf



Let me know if the link doesn't work

 

[rweis]

Stanadyne Performance Formula.



And I do not care what the fuel distributors do or do not do. You can bet they will do a cost analysis and do the most cost effective to them, not necessarily the best solution for the user.



5 gal of SPF $105 @ Cummins.

60gal ~ = $$ 1@VP ($1200).

1 gal SPF treats 500 gal of diesel.

5 gal of SPF treats 2500 gal of diesel.

60 gal of SPF treats 30,000 gal of diesel.

15mpg x 30000 gal of diesel = 450,000 miles.

about $0. 0027 / mile for piece of mind,

mine

 

[BPellman]

Stanadyne everytime!