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At what temp do you begin to use Anti-Gel supplement?

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Just curious as to what temp you begin to use the antigel products? I live in SOuthern Calif and got down to 25 last night and will do that a few times a year. I have never had any problems. Even at my parents house in Paso RObles, CA it will get into the teens some nights with no problems. When do you guys start to use anti Gel?? :cool:
 
I'm in mid Georgia. Never have used it even the once in a while single digets. Winter blend fuel is suppose to take care of it. We have already been in the teens.
 
Yeah, the winter blend is good for preventing gelling. I used to live in Durango, CO and it would get into the negative teens and I never had an issue with gelling. I would say if you live in Alaska and it gets into the way negative numbers it may be necessary. Can't remember right off the top of my head but maybe someone will chime in with the exact temp diesel gels up at.



Joe
 
i have heard winter blend is good too like -20 or so. don't know exact temp, but i've been in some pretty cold temperatures at night in the high country, and never had a problem.
 
I've had my truck gel up in the tank with the overhead saying -20 'F. This was with winter fuel with some anti gel. I'd say around 0 it would be a good idea to add anti gel IMHO.
 
Smokey 01 has the right idea... . remember what you buy in the station is behind the curve on blending... . most jobbers( wholesale Dist) don't blend down unless they see some weather condition that they know will give their customers problems... . normal #2 that we run usually will go down to 0 like mentioned by Smokey... .



The Jobber sees a cold snap coming so he does his job and blends down... and now starts to deliver to the station... because it now costs him to do this he passes it on... . but he does nothing for the fuel already in the ground at the station... lets say that there is 5K in a 20K gallon tank and the jobber is dropping 10K gallons... you now have 10 K thats down to say -10 but whats in the ground is only good to 0... . but all of you can understand that the jobber will not treat what is in the tanks... just what hes adding to top them off... .



Don't assume that the guy who owns the station will do something about it... most of them aren't on sight and have no one who has a clue what to do..... so the fuel is not touched... .



Last winter we had a cold front move in and on a Monday morning about 35 school buses quite within 15 to 20 min of the bus barn... . they went from a warm covered stalll to -20 and gelled... . they canceled school... .



Be safe, understand that you need to take control of this and blend your own fuel once you see numbers close to or below 0





Hope this helps. .
 
In the Adirondack Mts, November 1st until it gets warm in the spring. Every tank gets Power Service. I have run at 38 below with no problems. Honestly, I dont trust the so called winter blend.



Paul
 
About Nov 1st to Mar 15 gets PS regardless of the temp forcasts. One can never tell when you might end up in a colder environment away from your domicile either.
 
WM-300 said:
In the Adirondack Mts, November 1st until it gets warm in the spring. Every tank gets Power Service. I have run at 38 below with no problems. Honestly, I dont trust the so called winter blend.



Paul



I think that's the way to go. Don't try to figure the weather. . just start adding anti-gel from fall 'till spring. It won't hurt anything.

Mike
 
I dump in PS when I see/hear that a cold snap is coming-teens or less, always make sure my tank is full for the storms too. If it stays cold then I keep the PS in the mix. I think I read somewhere that between -15 and -20 is the gel point. I do not trust my local station to have the winter additive even though we are at 7K ft altitude and the overnights get really cold. Last winter we got at/below 0 and I saw lots of diesels having fuel gelling problems.



CD
 
I have lived most of my life in warmer climates so don't claim to be an expert but here are a couple of bits of info that might help.



In the RV transport industry drivers that deliver diesel motor homes are required to add anti-gel products to the fuel tanks when the temperature reaches 15 degrees Farenheit or below.



I have asked clerks at Flying J truck stops on several occasions in cold country when temps were low or expected to get low whether the fuel they were pumping was winter blend. The answer I received has been, "huhh?" They were clueless.



When I know the temp will get below 15 degrees I add Power Service. I discussed this with a friend recently who is one of the TDR contributing editors. He advised adding anti-gel to the main fuel tank when the truck will be parked overnight and exposed to temps in the low teens or below but said I could probably skip adding anti-gel during the day after it is started because the Cummins HPCR engine continually recycles warmed fuel back to the factory tank when running. Assuming that the sun shines on the black-painted 70 gallon Transfer Flow auxiliary tank in the bed I could possibly get away without adding anti-gel during the day but might want to to be safe.



I have not done it yet but I have read that a driver can pump equal amounts of No. 1 diesel and No. 2 diesel into his tanks to create his own winter blend. I may start doing this when I know I'll be fueling then parking the truck at the end of a day of travel.



Early this year, in January I think, I was pulling a 5er from IN to WA or OR. I spent a night at a motel in western NE. I plugged in my truck's block warmer but I didn't know the receptacle was dead. I managed to get my '01 Ram started without a block heater at -20 degrees but it was a close one. I had regular old Shell Rotella 15-40 oil in the crankcase. I had to keep the starter engaged as the engine slowly began running very poorly and very roughly but it did start and run. I was very grateful I had mixed Power Service in both tanks.



As I cruised across Montana that day it was a beautiful sunny day and the roads were clear but the temp dipped to -28 in the Rockies. I passed probably a dozen big rig trucks sitting on the shoulder that day, some of them shiny new tractors, waiting for road service. I didn't stop to ask but I assumed their fuel had gelled and shut them down. I was surprised. I expected that experienced big rig drivers understood the problem.



Harvey
 
I use 1 oz of Howe's to 2 gal of #2 diesel, and have not had any problems, plus I don't loose fuel mpg. , due to using blend or #1.
 
I run a mix 100% of the time; don't trust the fuel. Of course when it dips down to the -20's and below (which happens quite often here), I run a richer mix. I have, however, been safe at -25 without any additive in the past during a trip north of here and forgot to bring the Power Service. It didn't gel, but I sure was waiting for it.



My advice: Run a lean mix 100% of the time until this ULSD is proven, and add a bit more anytime it's below 0.
 
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