ATS or DTT converter?

[Cooker]

Originally posted by Greg Boardman

You guys have been here long enough to see every vendor bashed and flamed into leaving the TDR. Leave this guy alone he shares alot of useful information with us and I for one would hate to see him leave... ... ... ... Nuff Said!!!!!!

I agree. I didn't see anything wrong with his comment.

 

[TravisG]

Hey, I lived in Marionville for a few years, and I went to college in Springfield at SMS. I love it down there. Hate it up here.

 

[Blownaway]

WOT, My stock truck goes to 3000 RPM and stays there until lock-up so either of the converters talked about would be sweet.

 

[c-hawk]

Originally posted by rrausch

Even if ALL an ATS Trans had was that Custom Stator, it would be considered a Great Transmission, better than any other aftermarket transmission.

That's funny. I think your the only person i've ever seen claim that ATS has the best fluid coupling too. Usually it's just the same old story about the "nuke, MOAB proof TC".



Just for my own curiosity (sp?) what is the best 60ft time anyone has with their ATS trans? Maybe ATS has better fluid coupling than i give them credit for. But then I'm going off of what all the ats owners have said in their posts, minus rrausch above. Even heard it said right hear by an ATS user that "the brand that has "the best fluid coupling" is a pain at stoplights" refering to DTT. Mine surely isn't a pain at stoplights. Only difference i've noticed is it takes a little more pressure on the stop stick to keep the truck from moving.



On a different note, why is it that trannys get people as riled up as politics and religion? Seems wierd to me. I stated in my first post on this thread, and maybe it's time to say it again: I'm glad there are choices out there. Makes it better for all of us.



Later,

Chris

 

[rrausch]

Travis, you oughta move back. It's "God's Country" down in S. W. Mo! By the way, is it Marionville or Republic that is the home of the "White Squirrels"?



c-hawk, I agree. People go nuts about their Politics, Religion and their TC's!

Well, about the ATS stator, maybe it is a teeny bit less aggressive as Brand D, but it is a WHOLE lot more aggressive than stock. I was really surprised when I got in my truck after I got my rebuild and pushed the go pedal. I don't know what I was expecting, but it felt like I suddenly got a whole lot more HP.

 

[rrausch]

Another reason I think why most guys don't mention the stator is that the TripleLok sort of takes center stage so to speak. Also the concept of a stator is pretty foreign to anybody who doesn't know about automatics. And the stator only pushes the truck from 0-20 or so, (or whatever speed you set the lock-up point) while the TripleLok takes it from lock-up on up to top end and back. And the TripleLok is so FIRM when it locks up... all these are reasons why I think most guys don't mention the stator. But it is a remarkable stator!

 

[Edward]

I tried to post this last night but the TDR server was being a pain in the backside.



Chris

You said

As for pulling through the converter... Edward said

"This is what I see with my ATS from a dead stop flooring it.



RPM goes straight to 1500. "



if it doesn't even begin to transfer the power in the low rpm range, then in my opinion, your pulling through it. That's what my stock converter did. ATS relies on lockup, but you can't ALWAYS be in lock up.

Wouldn't you need to know what the speedometer is doing while the truck goes straight to 1500 RPM to really tell if the engine is pulling through the converter?



Edward

 

[jjohn]

I Love my DTT

10,000 miles now on my DTT Master Kit & 89H TC.



DTT asked me a lot of questions, Profiled me and the truck, then put together a package.



I smile every time I drive my truck... Single best thing I've done!



ATS certainly has its following also, I spent a great deal of time at ATS when I was trying to decide. Nice Group of people.



DTT "owners" are why I was sold me on DTT, when I started asking questions. Offers were coming out all over the place from Local TDR members to let me drive there trucks... I did, I loved it I bought it.



Ask the vendors a lot of Questions, Do some reading, Try and drive a truck or two "TDR members are great". Go with what feels right for you.

 

[TravisG]

Ahhh!!! the white squirrel

It is Marionville that is the home of the White Squirrel. Republic is home of the meth lab. j/k There is also a town in Illinois call Olney that is home to the rarely seen White Squirrel



I tis alway good to mix a little Diesel with a little Discovery Channel. Later. Travis.



Oh yeah, I can't believe there is a guy in Colorado that has a DTT transmission. When I was out there over Christmas all I saw was ATS stickers.

 

[fox]

Just for everyones input, sat. I had a freind with me and did a quick brake torque in my truck. You can go back to earlier posts to see my profile, But, the RPM's quickly go to 1600 and it was not floored- only 5/8 throttle. I let go of the brake and it was gone. It didn't spin because of the weight in it.

This is a great feel.

Now my freind wants one and is going to order it this next week.



I hope this is considered an 'infomercial also!!!!

 

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

DTT Fluid coupling at its best!!!!!!http://members. cox.net/no-arc/Boardmans%20Burnout. mpg



After watching that, I sure miss that truck!!

 

[TravisG]

Fox Don't get angry. I was just giving R Rausch some ribbing for all his pro ATS posts including one that mysteriously disappeared the other day.



I can brake torque my truck and do the same thing as you. I go back to saying why can't all these guyz get together and put all their arguments aside and work with each other instead of trying out a bunch of different stuff to see what works. All I am saying is that they are all just about the same, its just that they put the power to the ground different ways, and we all have different opinions about how it should be done.



p. s. you should come down and see us at our next Gateway TDR meeting. I don't know where you live in Illinois, but we have a pretty good time.

 

[rrausch]

Which post disappeared Travis?



I didn't know one disappeared!



..... (thinking)... . OH, you mean the one about the TDR Article where the ATS article by Earthroamer was voted one of the most popular 25 articles of all time! Yeah, too many DTT guys complained and said it wasn't fair.

 

[c-hawk]

Originally posted by Edward





Wouldn't you need to know what the speedometer is doing while the truck goes straight to 1500 RPM to really tell if the engine is pulling through the converter?



Edward

Yeah, i agree with that statement. But the way you said when you floor it, it shoots straight to 1500, it certainly doesn't sound like you were going anywhere.



I think no matter how much power you have, these trucks are slow right off the line unless you are building your boost before you go. Just flooring them means you have to wait for the turbo to spool, and if your tach is jumping "instantly" without any boost (i. e. power) then in MY OPINION your pulling through the converter. That seems to be the situation your describing. Your opinion may be different, and that's fine too.



Later,

chris

 

[fox]

TravisG , I'm not angry, it takes a lot for that to happen!!!

I am a member of Gateway and have missed the last few meets. Mostly family issues. If I'm with-in 50 feet of my truck next time we get together, I'll be there!!!

I'm just south of springfield.

I also realize several members have issues with Dtt because they are across the border--oh well. Still doesn't say they-DTT- don't make excellent trans!!!

Last month, just driveing to Springfield, I noticed 2 young guys following me in a ricer. They followed me into a Meijers parking lot, I thought WHAT is this about! I parked the truck , they got out and said WOW That is fast!!!

It turns out they thought I was racing!! Didn't even know they where " under power"

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was just driving and not hammering it!!

 

[Edward]

Originally posted by c-hawk

I think no matter how much power you have, these trucks are slow right off the line unless you are building your boost before you go. Just flooring them means you have to wait for the turbo to spool, and if your tach is jumping "instantly" without any boost (i. e. power) then in MY OPINION your pulling through the converter. That seems to be the situation your describing. Your opinion may be different, and that's fine too.

Later,

chris

Chris

I guess it would have been clearer if I had given the speeds too. Here they are. The rpm goes straight to 1500 and the ground speed to 5-mph. At 7-mph the engine is really starting to make power because boost is coming up and that 100-rpm jump happens and you feel yourself being pulled back in the seat. At 10 mph the boost needle is sweeping past 15 psi and climbing fast. The rpm's are up boost is up and the truck is in its power band. The engine isn't pulling through the TC at all. It's just that the fluid coupling isn’t so tight that the engine is lugging causing it to struggle to gain enough rpm to reach the power band. I believe this is what Maddog was referring to in his reply to Stefan.



Edward

 

[Matt400]

Originally posted by Blakers

The Product and Accessory forum is for all generations... 1st through 3rd. Plus there is a lot more cumulative transmission knowledge over there.

True but one thing about the 48RE is that now the aftermarket is offering a TC and VB upgrade only where the 47's are a complete package thing. One vendor I spoke to doesn't offer a TC or VB by itself on the 47's.



Specific applications may differ but for my daily driver 700 foot pound application that see's towing a TC & VB is all that is recommended for my uses.

My only reasoning for posting here was knowing that, but I do see your reasoning about the other forum.

 

[Matt400]

Back to reality

Man... lots of high horsepower, racing talk- great I like it all and so far we haven't been locked up with the sketchy stuff:-{}



Any comments on your converter's manners while during civilized operation- you know the daily drive to work that sees 1/4 and 1/2 throttle stuff plus towing where the truck was intended for anyway.



The reason I ask is from my experience with Hot Rod stuff is just that "Hot Rod" and where it performs better than stock is under WOT conditions where the OEM's spend big bucks to design a system that is a compromise and will work better over a broader range.

I know less slip & firmer shifts means less wear but shifts that are harsh are annoying in a daily driver and I would rather drive 100K with a nice firm shifting unit than 150K with one that snaps my neck and makes passengers ask what the heck!

:--)

 

[Edward]

Re: Back to reality

Originally posted by Matt400

Man... lots of high horsepower, racing talk- great I like it all and so far we haven't been locked up with the sketchy stuff:-{}



Any comments on your converter's manners while during civilized operation- you know the daily drive to work that sees 1/4 and 1/2 throttle stuff plus towing where the truck was intended for anyway.

Matt

In my ATS the farther I press down on the go peddle the firmer it shifts. It is well mannered for town driving at light throttle, firm and responsive at moderate throttle and rock solid at wide-open throttle.





Edward

 

[John_P]

c-hawk:



You asked in your earlier post about 60ft. times in the

quarter mile. Posted below are the some times off of

my 1/4 mile slip that were run with my 2002 back on

12-13-03 @ "Coastal Plains Dragway", Jacksonville,

N. C. during our recent "N. C. Dyno and Drag Racing

Event"



60ft------------1. 773

330ft----------5. 271

1/8 E. T. -------8. 211

1/8 MPH------83. 68

1/4 E. T. -------12. 94

1/4 MPH------102. 98



I have witnesses to this run who are TDR members

so if you doubt my word on this I can P. M. you their

names etc. or I can send you a copy of the time slip.



Here is another one for you from my son's 2001

Dodge. Same track, but this run was back on 10-16-03.



60ft---------1. 843

330ft------- 5. 302

1/8 E. T. ---- 8. 229

1/8 MPH----83. 67

1/4 E. T. ----12. 95

1/4 MPH--103. 22



Both these trucks were set up almost the same.

While I realize that there are many Dodges faster

than ours, IMO these times are excellent for us

and AGAIN, "the ATS TripleLok Stage IV" can put

the power to the ground!"



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John_P