well, i said i would not add any more, but i will add this conclusion to hopefully end this transmission soap opera. ATS contacted me, left a message, and i returned their call. They said they would sell me converters at a lower price. I told them that that would work out great. I also said that i didn't want the best price, because i can't move the huge volumn that some of the big shops can. We worked things out, and all is better. I DID admit that i was wrong bringing this to the forumn before contacting them again. There was poor communication on both ends. Maybe we (especially me, ATS, other venders, other shop owners, etc. ) can learn from this. I understand ATS problem of not wanting to hurt other venders and i appreciate that. It just hit me really hard when i had told so many that this was the best route to go for towing, and i had finnally got a couple people in my area to get one and i got shut out. Anyway, all is done, its been patched up. I think the main problem here was my huge passion for cummins motors and our trucks got mingled up with emotion. I think that alot of us are that way. We get so wound up in these trucks and it starts to push us to the edge a little. i think sometimes we need to sit back, take a breather, and remember we are all on the same side. We all love our trucks and want to make it the best we can, while helping others along the way. I hope that some good can come from this thread, and i promiss to be a more carefull in the threads i post. Thanx again, Reb