attention all you amsoil guys!!

[americana]

when is that new block/oil filter adapter for the dual bypass kit supposed to show up?

also, is there installation instructions for the sampling tap for the dual bypass kit? torque specs?

thanks in advance.

p. s. i'm on the eve of my first oil analysis after 10kmi!!! (biting my fingernails)

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regards,

peter
1998 24v 4x4 QC, SLT, Sport, Leather, Linex, snug lid, center line wheels, Smittybilt side steps,color matched fender flares, stull grills, tow hooks----first diesel, dodge etc. i'm in love!

FREE CARL!!

 

[willyslover]

Peter. . what means "show up" ?
If ya need source throw me an E-mail. . I have it in a file and can send you pic's and e address
Gary

 

[Bob Riley]

What do you mean new filter block show up? Are they out of stock at your wharhouse? I'm not aware of design changes or anything. Maybe that's why your not getting any responses.
Bob

 

[Sled Puller]

Bob,
A couple months ago there was a rumor that Amsoil was making the engine adapter out of billet, like the filter mount.

I could not find anyone to own up to it, so I was waiting for the the other guy to post back!
I still have heard nothing. There is a member building one.
gene

 

[Bob Riley]

I did some checking. There is no truth to that rumour unfortunately. In fact, that adapter is the only part of the system that has a patent on it's design. Amsoil does not have the patent. They cannot change it's design enough to not infringe on patents.

Anyone who is going to reproduce this ought to be aware of this before he sells them. Just looking out for them, that's all. A different material does not release the patent rights.
Bob

 

[Timinator]

Bob,
Do you know who owns the patent and/or the patent #?

 

[John]

Bob, Amsoil purchases their block adapter from a vendor. In my opinion, it's the only weak link in the Dual Remote Bypass system. It's just a cheap die casting that is prone to loosening from the block (even when properly tightened). Also, if someone was to disregard the Amsoil torque specs. for the adapter fittings (slightly over torquing them) it would be very easy to crack the Amsoil adapter.

I purchased a very trick billet aluminum block adapter from TDR member and large Amsoil dealer, "CPFF" (Cummins Powered Fast Ford). I'm not sure whether he has a patent on his design but, HE SHOULD! It's not just a slight change, it's a radical departure from a tired old design I've personally seen dating back to at least the '60s. His revolutionary (not evolutionary) adapter is so superior to any I have EVER seen it isn't even funny. The superiority of design and quality of the finished assembly are well worth the price he sells them for ($55. ). And then there is the function aspect... "CPFF's" design will out flow the Amsoil counterpart by a huge margin. In addition, you will never experience the loosening block adapter syndrome that others have with the Amsoil adapter. My billet adapter does not leak or even weep.

Bob, I don't know who you talked to at Amsoil however, I WAS TOLD by an Amsoil technician the BMK-15 block adapter was being evaluated and may possibly be changed. Extrapolate what you will from that.

The bottom line is this, if you want the best block adapter for your BMK-15 system, purchase the trick unit from "CPFF".

Gary (Willyslover)... any comment on the "CPFF" adapter (he has one too).

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John Treibel
'98. 5 2500 QC 4x4 Sport, Glasstite Vision II, 285 BFG A/Ts on M/T Challengers, Warn 4X Boards, Mopar fender flares & tow hooks, NW Custom s/s-rubber mud flaps and accs. , Mag-Hytec diff. cover & trans. pan, Edelbrock IAS shocks, Reese Titan V hitch, SPA gauges (3), Dynamat, '00 Sport grille and headlights/PIAA Super White bulbs, PIAA Dual Sport 900 aux. lights, BD exh. brake, Amsoil Dual Remote Bypass, Optima Yellow Tops, DD3s and DD TTPM, Aeroquip AQP braided s/s fuel hoses, Banks High-Ram intake manifold and 14 cm2 turbine housing w/Big Head wastegate actuator, ATS 3-piece exh. man. , Banks 4" dia. s/s exh. sys. , DTT 93% TC, DTT custom tuned VB, BD modified trans. front pump (enhanced by DTT), Air Bulldog induction hood (with NACA ducts), plus MANY other trick modifications

NRA Life (Patron) member

[This message has been edited by John (edited 04-03-2001). ]

 

[americana]

john nailed the cpff design. i just wanted to make sure about an amsoil alternative before i made a decision. mine's leaking, weeping whatever so badly it's pi$$ed me off.

anyone know how long it took amsoil to get off it's butt and design the filter mount and produce it in billet? how long did they talk about it?

thanks, guys...

[This message has been edited by americana (edited 04-03-2001). ]

 

[Bob Riley]

Guys, don't get me wrong, I agree the billet would look nicer, but how many of the old units have actually failed?

Ever think that the reason the tired old design has been around for so long?? They can't find there way around the patent. Amsoil tried out of requests. Yes, this guy may have a superior product and I don't doubt it, but he may be infringing, that's all I meant. It's his business. You all know you can make anything you like for yourself, but if you sell it, it's a different story.

If you disreguard Amsoils torque specs, this is their fault? Or a design problem? Just look at it from their standpoint, they are in a higher profile than a member on the TDR and cannot risk patent infringment if it looks this way.

Yes, I know who holds it, but am not at liberty to release it. That's all I know.

Mine has been on there for 40k and not even a drip. I have sold over 75 BMK-16s and had one casting that was cross threaded. This could happen in any material. None have leaked or broke. There is no stress on this part. Install it correctly and there will never be an issue with it.
Bob

 

[americana]

willyslover...

what i mean by "show up" is the one by amsoil. if it is not going to be out for a while or ever then i'll go with the one by one of our intrepid members.

thanks

 

[John]

Originally posted by Bob Riley:
Install it correctly and there will never be an issue with it.

NOT TRUE Bob. John Strenkowski (a. k. a. CPFF on the TDR BB) is a highly respected Amsoil dealer who produces the billet adapters.

Ask Amsoilman (another highly respected Amsoil dealer) why he switched from the BMK-15 (dual remote bypass) TO THE BMK-11 (single remote bypass... uses OE full flow filter at the OE location). I will answer that for the rest of the members... it was due to constant leaks and weeps he was experiencing with his BMK-15 system. If I remember correctly he said the leaks/weeps were at the block adapter. Amsoilman?

In addition Bob, over the years I have seen many of those cheap die cast adapters fail due to cracking. I'll tell you what, you protect your Cummins with that POS die cast adapter and I will sleep better knowing I invested in a superior component that I won't EVER have to worry about again.

BTW, I believe the torque spec. listed in the Amsoil installation instructions for the adapter fittings is too high for the die cast block adapter (which I believe is the same for the billet filter adapter). However, let it be known, this is just my opinion.

 

[Bob Riley]

I do know this, they mentioned there was an Amsoil dealer making them. Darin said he saw one. He said it looked nice for sure, but they could definately not make them. He knew this guy was selling them to his dealers, but cautioned that he should have some kind of release. Have him contact Darin, he knows who he his.
Like I said, don't get me wrong, I would love a billet adapter, but maybe all the problems seem to be in the Dodge adapter. I have not even heard of problems with the Ford adapter. That doesn't make sence though.
Bob

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DiabloSport Dealer

 

[americana]

fwiw, there can't possibly be any kind of patent infringement. secondly, mine is weeping/leaking and i'm going to be e-mailing cpff tonight and ordering one. i was very careful installing mine and used that nice new snap on torque wrench my girlfriend got me.

your mileage may vary... .

 

[Timinator]

There may be patent infringement, but we need to compare the patent's claims to the potentially infringing device. If the patent holder (whoever he is) expects to collect any damages for infringement, he better give notice to the infringer(s). Very mysterious...

 

[CPFF]

Bob Riley
Thanks. It's nice to know that your're concerned about my welfare.

I have it on the highest authority that AMSOIL has no objection to the use of my adapter with their kit and that any patent concerns have already been addressed. People who don't get their facts straight should be careful about expressing their views in public lest others form a derogatory opinion of them.

A correction to John's post. I have to give credit where credit is due. The respected AMSOIL dealer is my wife. AMSOIL is her project. (I help her handle the 55-gallon drums--she takes care of the 30's herself. )My shop work is already taking up too much of my tinkering time.

CPFF


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CUMMINS POWERED FAST FORD

 

[EMDDIESEL]

I have the billet adaptor made by "CPFF". It is literally a work of art. The billet machining is second to none. The POS block adaptor Amsoil sells with the kit is horrible. Mine had aluminum flash all over the threads. And i still dont know where all this talk of "Patent infringement" has come from. It perfectly legal to make a product better. "CPFF"'s adaptor is NOTHING like Amsoils. There are 4 different companies who make remote oil filter kits other than Amsoil(That i know of). They are: Trans-Dapt, B&M, Flow-Kooler and Adaptive Technoligies. And they all use adaptors that look EXACTLY like Amsoils. (As i am sure you aware, Amsoil does not actually make that adaptor, it is made for them by an outside contractor). If anybody is going to invest the money in the BMK-15 kit, invest the extra money and get CPFF's adaptor, you wont be sorry, it is SIMPLE to install and adjust, you can position your lines EXACTLY where you want them and it looks awesome. I hooked everything up with Aeroquip -8 Stainless Braided hose and Nickel Aluminum Aeroquip swivel fittings. With his adaptor and those hoses, leaks are **** near immpossible. I also got the BMK-15 mount that goes around the battery from CPFF. It too fits great, is rock solid, and is painted in mirror finish heavy duty black paint. With that setup my lines are only 12" long. Very neat and secure setup.

 

[Bob Riley]

CPCF,
I had your best interest in mind. Sorry you took offense to it. Obviously I am not a competitor to your product, so I don't see your problem to my statement.
Of course Amsoil has no objection, it's not their design. I even commented that they have seen it and like it, but that they cannot build it.
I stated what was quoted to me, not my opinion.
I don't know you, so obviously I had nothing to gain.
I won't say another thing on the subject since you have it covered, it's just the person I spoke with wasn't sure if you had and told me I could make sure you knew of the patent issue. Also, since I didn't know who you were, I couldn't e-mail you directly. And you slam me for making sure you were aware.
Bob

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DiabloSport Dealer

 

[KatDiesel]

Originally posted by John:
In addition Bob, over the years I have seen many of those cheap die cast adapters fail due to cracking. I'll tell you what, you protect your Cummins with that POS die cast adapter and I will sleep better knowing I invested in a superior component that I won't EVER have to worry about again.

I don't think he has a Cummins, only pictures I see of his truck is a Ford PowerStroke. Just in case no one knew.....

 

[willyslover]

sorry it took so long to post on this. . been out of town. .
I would have paid two or three times what I paid for this piece. . fit, finish and design are superb !!
and get the braided lines to go with it and you'll have a sweet set up !!

 

[boatpuller]

Bob Riley,
I do not have one of these adapters, but I do not understand why you would not be able to state who holds the patent on an item(if you actually know who holds it), most patent holders are more than willing to let someone that might be infringing on their patent know who they are.

Caleb Reese