Automatics Are Better ???????

[Hohn]

With my luck, Grizzly is some retired 4-star or something gonna make a few calls to make sure that I get busted down to Lieutenant Or lower. (Is there anything lower than Lieutenant? Maybe whale poo? hehehe)

 

[BigEasy]

I resent being called ignorant. I am far from ignorant and I am probably far better educated than you are. You really need to watch your mouth, because you have no idea who you are talking to.

and he reinforces the opinion... too bad 'education' doesn't teach 'people skills' or how to read and comprehend

 

[JoshPeters]

I resent being called ignorant. I am far from ignorant and I am probably far better educated than you are. You really need to watch your mouth, because you have no idea who you are talking to.

Wow Grizzly... Calm down. :-{} I knew when this thread got posted it was going to go south at some time. Everyone has an opinion, you do, Hohn does, as do I. We obviously don't agree. I don't think bringing up "education" has anything to do with this conversation. Some of the most intelligent people I have ever met, have never set foot inside of a University. No one knows everything! I think we ALL need to take a deep breath enjoy the Beautiful weekend on Tap! (pun intended for those who Drink!)



Josh

 

[MHalloran]

If it's not a stick, it's not a truck! :-laf

 

[TinyInOhio]

If it is a DTT it is true!!

 

[DieselMinded]

Folks ... . the thread is Questioning rather the Statements in the first post are FACTS or Opinions



This isnt a Auto vs Stick thread



No matter how fun that would be :>

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I have learned that the Auto is better for pulling heavyer loads,,,,, However... ...



I couldnt make heads or tails of the statement figgering if it was true than why are most big rig's Sticks ...



It pretty reasonalble to say there not sticks because its easier on the drivers .



And if there not as capable as the first statement in this thread STATES



then why is it ???



**EDIT**



is this why??

what the statement is missing, is the fact that larger truck transmissions are twin countershaft [or if you want a 2,000 lbs beast, mack tripple countershaft] for the very reason to divide the torque going through the shafts and to balance the forces on them.

Thanks to nickelodeon



DM

 

[Grizzly]

The statement is NOT true because there is nothing better then a stick.

 

[Learguy]

What do YOU prefer!

I've always thought what was BEST depended on who was paying/ driving it! What is YOUR application? How do YOU drive it? I personally prefer a stick, with the wife driving, I couldn't afford it! She would tear up syncros and clutches like you've never seen! That's why an Auto is better for HER. Also with a stick, the wife never drives my truck!

 

[JSienkowski]

My 2 cents

Personally it's like asking which is the better peanut butter, Super Chunk or Creamy, I think it's the end user that will decide the longevity of an automatic or manual, my last truck (non-dodge,gas,automatic) would eat a transmission or an engine everyother year(you mean stock SBC's aren't ment to hid 5500 rpm ), but now that's what happens when you take something and have it do things it really wasn't designed to do.

 

[1smoknC]

for me, i like my stick. much more fun that an auto :-laf... . i dont have anything against auto's, i just like rowing through my gears Oo.

 

[c-hawk]

I'm fortunate enough to have a 6spd and a auto (DTT) at the moment.



Although it wasn't the intent of the thread to go here... There is no way anybody can say that an auto is better, period. Or that a stick is always better. It's going to come down to personal preference, what your trying to do with the truck, how you use it, etc.



There is no way the 6spd could substitue for my DTT and run as fast in the 1/4, for as many passes as i've made. A manual would be slower and probably would require a lot more maintenance too. The DTT has been flawless for hundreds of 1/4mile passes and 80000 miles. Is a manual better for racing? The clear answer is no.



As for towing, i prefer the manual. I like the control it offers and the fun of rowing the gears with a load behind. So i'm going to vote for the manual for towing (even though i suspect with equal power a DTT truck would beat a manual truck getting a load going. )



Anyway, all i'm getting at is there is no clear cut A is better then B, or B is better then A.



My 2 cents.



chris

 

[Bob4x4]

The statement is NOT true because there is nothing better then a stick.

Evidently you haven't had a good experience with an automatic

I have the best of both worlds one stick,one auto. I get to take my pick for whatever fills the bill on any particular day Oo. I love em both and wouldn't want to have to choose only one.



Bob

 

[LEnglish]

I like my Auto. If you don't plan on building it than a stick is the way. With my turck and compined of 31k it puts the truck in to its perfect power band all the time. If I creep around on the converter with this kina weight it will start to get warm but with my 2 coolers it does great.



I see the point of the bombs and sitck holding the power in stock form but when a auto and 1/2 the mods beats you in the 1/4 mi that is no fun.



If you want light mods and out of the box towing mashine than a stick is the way to go. If you want heavy mods and like to go really fast a auto is the way to go.



Thay all have there pros and cons.



I have read of quite a few higer hp trucks and gears breaking gears which would leave you just as bad as a auto losing a clutchs. If you break a gear in a stick you will trash the whole transmission very fast ware a auto would need alot less parts to get it back up.

 

[EMD Diesel Power]

Im a manual guy myself... . Easy to repair when things go south... .



Automatics also have thier place... . Every transmission has its pros/cons.



Although Im one for just getting rid of both and going with a diesel/electric drive setup like a locomotive. :-laf :-laf :-laf Get rid of the transmission entirely. A bit outlandish idea though for a pickup.



I wouldnt mind a Allison/Cummins setup in a Dodge though if it came down to me driving an automatic. All firetrucks now are pretty much automatics (Allisons) and the diesels are all EPA Fire-Rated for power and torque. So nobody can say that the autos cant stand up to a 550 HP 14L diesel. Most Seagrave quint aerials are 500 plus HP. All Aerialscopes are 500 plus horsepower. Everything is Allisons.

 

[JRagland]

I have a 6-speed because I had no plans of bombing it when I bought it new and the autos were known to hold up poorly to even stock power. I wanted the confidence of a manual.



Now that I have more power and still can't beat a lot of lower-powered vehicles from a stoplight without a big show of effort, I would love a full DTT over the 6-speed.



But, I have a bullet-proof transmission for a $1000 clutch upgrade. No auto can say that. I don't know which I would have if I knew then what I know now about aftermarket automatics.



But to answer your poll: that statement makes since.

 

[Mhannink]

well i voted partilly. there are some advantagdes to both autos shift faster and you don't loose turbo boost. it has a more seemless change of gears. and it has an unlimited gear ratio.



however sticks will last longer, no worry about heat, tougher to start w/,



who ever asked why they put sticks in otr trucks well its mostly for longevity they do have some autos and they are nothing but problems they can't handle the weight well. hp yes but make that thing try to move 80k and its gonna be tough. and they slip too much that means a lose in fuel which is bad enough as is.



in all they both have their place.

 

[Allnew2Me]

Well that is a loaded question if I ever heard one. What is the best is dependant upon so many different things, and they mean different things to as many people as you can ask. Let's go a step further and give specific examples or situations where one would be better than the other. For example, towing, pulling, driving in sand, snow, pavement, uphill, downhill, heading North, well you get the point. Best is what works for you, and that changes at times so we try to cover as much as we can with our choices. Life is always a compromise in all things. I would guess that the fact that one can purchase both types, and that we still complain about them, shows that we each have the opportunity to decide, and even, God forbid we can be wrong. These decisions are sometimes what we thought them to be and we consider ourselves right, or we find out that we should have chosen the other, leaving us feeling wrong. I would guess that most of us fall somewhere in the middle. But right or wrong is ours to decide not anyone else’s. What I choose is right for me and what you choose is right for you. Rather than argue about something that will never be solved to everyone’s satisfaction (because we are all right) why not just admit that both sides have merit for certain situations, as they certainly do and move on. By the way, what is better, gas or diesel, Coors or Bud. blonde or redhead. I have not been here all that long but I noticed long ago that the longest and most hotly contested threads are always the one that start out with, What is the best (shock, TC, transmission, oil, tire, brand, lights, turbo, etc) Generalizations beget generalized answers, and a darn lot of them. Merry Christmas to all whether three pedal or two!

 

[Mhannink]

Well that is a loaded question if I ever heard one. What is the best is dependant upon so many different things, and they mean different things to as many people as you can ask. Let's go a step further and give specific examples or situations where one would be better than the other. For example, towing, pulling, driving in sand, snow, pavement, uphill, downhill, heading North, well you get the point. Best is what works for you, and that changes at times so we try to cover as much as we can with our choices. Life is always a compromise in all things. I would guess that the fact that one can purchase both types, and that we still complain about them, shows that we each have the opportunity to decide, and even, God forbid we can be wrong. These decisions are sometimes what we thought them to be and we consider ourselves right, or we find out that we should have chosen the other, leaving us feeling wrong. I would guess that most of us fall somewhere in the middle. But right or wrong is ours to decide not anyone else’s. What I choose is right for me and what you choose is right for you. Rather than argue about something that will never be solved to everyone’s satisfaction (because we are all right) why not just admit that both sides have merit for certain situations, as they certainly do and move on. By the way, what is better, gas or diesel, Coors or Bud. blonde or redhead. I have not been here all that long but I noticed long ago that the longest and most hotly contested threads are always the one that start out with, What is the best (shock, TC, transmission, oil, tire, brand, lights, turbo, etc) Generalizations beget generalized answers, and a darn lot of them. Merry Christmas to all whether three pedal or two!

i don't know if there is a truer word out there. that was well said

 

[Grizzly]

Evidently you haven't had a good experience with an automatic

I have the best of both worlds one stick,one auto. I get to take my pick for whatever fills the bill on any particular day Oo. I love em both and wouldn't want to have to choose only one.



Bob

I do have good experience with an automatic. My Toyota Avalon is auto and it is great, however it doesn't have a Cummins Turbo Diesel engine in it and it doesn't haul a large camper.

 

[WadePatton]

The statement is NOT true because there is nothing better then a stick.

For what?



ApplicationApplicationApplication.



Show me a stick that is better than an auto for drag-racing.



Show me an auto that I'd rather daily drive than a stick--nonesuch. My auto is going to be replaced with a 4500 and dual disc this summer.



Disclaimer: I'm ONLY talking about OFE/FE or DualDisc equipped manuals vs. full aftermarket autos (ATS, DTT, SunCoast, Goerend, etc. ) OEM is junk when you put the power to it.