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I have read with great interest the many posts regarding the K&N filters. I am a user of K&N filters in off road race vehicles and my trucks (I can't remember when I owned a car) since they first came out. I have never had a problem of any kind during the many years of hard use. Oil samples have never shown contamination, and my intake housings and turbos are clean and dry on both of our Dodge Cummins trucks, even on mine which gets 40lbs of boost. I thought I would offer some tips in three important areas: cleaning, oiling, and sealing.
First, don't clean the K&N just because it looks dirty. A dirty K&N works much better than a clean one. Most people clean way too often. When cleaning, use only the K&N cleaner. This works in conjunction with oil and releases the oil and dirt from the gauze so it can be rinsed away. Follow the K&N cleaning instructions carefully. Do not use any form of water pressure when rinsing. Sometimes letting the cleaner sit on a wet filter for a few minutes helps to free up the dirt. Repeated applications of the cleaner and rinsing may be required if the filter is really dirty. Our turbos tend to jam debris deep down into the pleats and sometimes it is hard to get out, even with repeated cleanings. If this is the case, leave it there. Don't try to remove debris from the pleats that won't come out with regular cleanings, you can damage the gauze in the process.
Proper oiling is very important. Make sure the filter is totally dry before oiling. In the warm summer months, letting it sit in the sun works good. A light even coat of oil is all that is needed. This is difficult to achieve with the squeeze bottle supplied. What I do is put the oil in a small spray bottle and then put the bottle in hot water for a while (or in the hot sun in the summer). This thins the oil and facilitates spraying on a thin even coat. You want all the gauze to be pink in color, not dark red. Be sure to get along the edges and down in the pleats. If using the stock filter replacement, you could spray lightly on both sides. With the Scotty type filter, only oil from the outside. Let the filter sit for a couple of hours, preferably overnight, to allow the oil to spread evenly. I keep a spare filter cleaned and oiled which makes the whole process much quicker. If you live in a very dry climate and put a lot of miles on the filter, I would recommend re-oiling very lightly in six to eight months with the spray bottle technique. This makes sure the filter doesn't dry out. I currently live in Southern California and drive many miles on dry dusty roads to reach my ranch. I only clean my filter every 12 to 18 months, but I re-oil once between cleanings. Pay carefull attention to proper sealing when you re-oil.
Sealing the filter to the housing is where a lot of people make mistakes. If using the stock filter housing, you must use a generous amount of grease between the filter edges and the airbox. You need to clean the old grease off and apply new grease every time you remove a filter, whether cleaning or oiling. Do not remove the filter from the airbox to inspect it. The easiest and simplest way to inspect it is to grab the whole airbox and yank it off the mounting studs in the wheel well. This is difficult the first time but becomes easier the more you do it. This way you can look into the airbox intake hole and inspect the condition of the filter without disturbing the seal. Do not use grease with the Scotty type of filter. Use the four inch exhaust pipe method for clamping as discussed in previous posts . This is problably the best seal you can get with any type of filter. And yes, I can't wait to get the new Psycotty filter system.
My intent here is not to convert those that oppose this type of filter, but rather offer some things I have learned over the years to those who use the filters or to those contemplating it.
Hope this helps someone.

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96 2500 4X4 5sp 4:10 215hp SLT Horton fan,TST,4"exhaust,GearVendors,BFG 285/75/16 on Mickey Thompson Challenger wheels, K&N, Detroit Locker,50#Boost and Pyro guages, Aluminim flatbed, gooseneck and bp hitches,Helwig air bags with compressor, Helwig sway bar, Rancho 2" front lift w/9000 shocks all around, Preluber w/aircraft hoses,Hytec rear cover,PacBrake,McCloud dual disc clutch,numerous other accessories. Pull 11,000lb aluminum gooseneck horse trlr. and 14,000lb equipment trlr.



[This message has been edited by Bob Horrell (edited 03-14-2000). ]
 
Well said neighbor Bob. The oldest one I own is on my 1980 Scout and it's still doing a fine job!

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'93 LE W250 5spd 3. 54 White Reg Cab
171,000 Miles 03/08/00
 
Good post Bob #ad


For extra filtering efficiency on the Scotty Air System, run a pre-filter or a sock on the K&N.

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Bill R
94 2500 SLT,4X4,5 Speed,3. 54 LSD... . Still looks brand new... .
 
Bob- hats off to you. An explanation that the factory should be proud of. #ad


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94 4x4 SLT Geno's guages,mystery switch,TST 230/605,straight pipe from turbo,110,000+ miles,much more to come
 
Thanks for the kind words. Today I just received my latest oil sample results and the silicons were 9PPM. The oil had 7500 miles on it and a lot of that was towing heavy loads (hay and my tractor) uphill on a very dusty dirt road with a good amount of boost. The road has a lot of traffic and there always seems to be a lot of dust hanging in the air.
Just thought I'd pass on some recent data that shows that you can get good results in dusty conditions with a K&N if properly serviced.
 
I just took off my factory air box and installed a Scotty style RE-0880 K&N. I had the factory style K&N in for 35,000 miles or so. There was tons of dust on the pre filter side of the box, and oil from my front axle breater tube?. BUT there was nothing on the turbo side. NO dirt, NO oil. I used the sealing grease supplied with the factory style K&N filter. My last oil sample, 7,500 miles showed 7 ppm silicon. The new filter setup is awesome!! check out my post on the MIGHTY 12V forum.
Jack

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I too, have been very happy with K&N products and have never had a bit of trouble with any of them. I had the K&N's on two Mustangs ('89 GT and '89 LX), on my previous Dodge ('93 w/Cummins), and now on my current '96. I just replaced the factory replacement type with the "Scotty" type and the "Psychotty Air" system. I like the filters in all applications I have ever used them. I would highly recommend K&N products.

Another note: I buy the K&N servicing kit that comes with the oil and cleaner in spray bottles. It is part number 99-5000 and comes with a pump sprayer for the cleaner and a aerosol spray can for the oil. It is easy to use. Maybe this will help some of yall with re-oiling. #ad


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On order: 4" down pipe, 4" stack, "PSYCHOTTY AIR", :) :) ... . Can't wait!!!
 
I've been looking for the Permatex Super-Lube grease in larger quantities than that little 1/4oz "sample" tube--no luck #ad
what grease(s) can be used in substitution that won't damage the seal on the filter, or the hard plastic (gag!) housing?? (Currently running a Scotty model 1--ported stock airbox)
I want a suck-proof seal, but don't want to dissolve my petro-solids in the process... If "any-ole" synthetic will do, i'd be thrilled to hear it, as that stuff presents itself by the ton at WalMart (the redneck shopping capital of the world)----rich
 
Are some of you running the KN#0880 straight off the tube with no box at all??? I think i've read a few posts about this but wasn't sure. Can somebody clarify this for me??? Pro's/con's??? Thanks... . Sal
 
I too ran K&N's for years on dirt bikes. We used to get the K&N oil in aerosol cans at motorcycle shops. Very simple to apply. I haven't been in one for a while so I don't know if the spray cans are still available.
K&N cleaning solution is new since '90. Prior to that, their cleaning instructions were to immerse the filter in a solvent bath. I kept a proper size tub, and used varsol or gas. Swish the filter around as if you were rincing out a coffee cup (while rolling if over if you have a round one). You sill see the dirt and old oil sluffing off. I repeated with clean solvent, then let it air dry.
We used BelRay grease (from bike shop) to seal the filter - if in doubt, add more grease. Its messy, and you have to wash and flush the airbox throughly with solvent when you remove the filter for cleaning. If you are in a dusty area, you can also put a coat of grease inside the airbox to trap additional dust etc before the filter does.
 
K&N service kits are still available in the aerosol cans. I got mine at Mustang Parts Specialties in Winder, Ga. They are also available from Jannetty Racing Enterprises. http://www.jannettyracing.com I just got my RE-0880 and 4" down pipe from them. They have good service and a nice website. #ad


Another note: As a user of K&N products for several years, I will tell you that they say to NEVER use gasoline or solvents to clean their filters now. They say to ONLY use their cleaner and oil and to dry naturally. The previous 'rules' have changed with the improved oils and cleaners. The aerosol cans are easy to use and effective.
 
Is it necessary to use the pre-filter with the RE-0880 or is just personal preference? I am getting ready to install the RE-0880 and wondering if I need to get the pre-filter before I make the switch.
 
The pre-filter is not required; it is just easier to remove the pre-filter and clean it than cleaning the filter itself is. The pre-filter helps keep the filter clean.

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Bill Lins Wharton, TX 98 2500 QC SLT,12 (the CORRECT # of)valves,NV4500,3. 54 LSD,Manik grille guard,Psychotty Air,Amsoil everywhere, Reading aluminum utility body and bumper,Optima yellow tops- silencer ring, cat,& muffler all stolen.
 
If you think it seals tight with a 4" outside diamater pipe, try it with a PVC 4" Inside diameter pipe. It almost wouldnt go on, but it won't leak, unless there is enough pressure to crush the filter.

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1996 2500 ST regular cab,long bed, 4x4, 5 speed, Rhino Liner Scotty Air
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Bob: Thanks for the detail on using K&N's. I have a stock replacement in my '97 with only 3000 Kms so far. I have printed and kept your post for reference when the first cleaning time comes.

rich m: I got the last bigger tube that my NAPA parts store had of the K&N supplied brand of grease. Counter man said it was discontinued. No reason known. Does anyone know of an appropriate substitute?
Bob? I thought of just using ordinary vaseline, but it would probably liquify and run out in the high temperatures found in the stock air box. Pete.

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'97 2500 CC 4x4 5spd 3. 54LSD all stock except K&N Air, EGT&Boost Guages - next Psychotty & 4" exhaust
 
Hey JackTar, just discovered NAPA part#7651351 seems to be perfect for this application. It also happens to be the stuff you need to lubricate your brake caliper pins when the time comes.

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95 2500 SLT Laramie 3. 54, automatic,Herculiner bed liner, JVC cd out of factory infinity system, southwest grill gaurd (a favorite amongst the deer population), K&N, AFC adjusted, dual straight exhaust out of "gutless" cat, Geno's dual EGT/boost gauge, TST #6 plate slid all the way forward, AFC housing slid all the way forward, silencer ring removed
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