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Ya got that search done yet? Care to post the results? Do you think that he got the loyalty of this whole site because he makes junk and doesn’t care about people? Do you think that BD got their reputation by making people happy? Come on people, you are missing the forest for the trees. (Or something like that) :rolleyes: :confused: If BD has stepped up their program in an effort to stop getting spanked by this little company in BC, then we will here about it soon. Someone that isn’t on BD’s payroll needs to do a side-by-side test between the two. BTW Adam, that problem will get fixed on Saturday. That is the biggest problem I have had with my transmission- I can hear the violins now. Poor me. :( :( :( :( ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ..... :D
 
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Originally posted by Mopar-muscle

spelling doesn't make someone less credible



..... maybe so but, some of the mispelled words are so far off that even my six year old daughter could get closer than that. You see, it's just that I only have a given amount of time to lounge around on this site... grossly misspelled words slow down ones ability to read more threads.



BTW, excellent post TopFuel!



Hey Keith (from Diesel Dynamics), glad to see you are on the TDR BB. :)
 
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Interesting topic... I've got a manual transmission so I can't really talk technically about the stuff you auto box guys are talking about.



However, it would seem to make sense if someone is promoting a particular brand to disclose their affliation. Are they being sponsored or did they get these transmissions at a substantial discount???



Very hard to be objective about a product if you're being sponsored by them. You know the saying... "don't bite the hand that feeds you... . "



My 2 cents. .



Charles
 
Charles,



i agree with your post but even that was not my concern, what i took exception too was the deliberate and misleading implication by adam that the transmission he had in his truck was the original one he had installed in his truck after taking out his 5 speed and it lasted a year with all his hp.



When a lot of us knew the reality was different.



I feel there is nothing wrong with sponsorship, i drag raced for years and also chose sponsors to support . The companies I took money and products were honest and had good products and services. The difference in the drag racing industry is that people decided the meritts of the spons on your race car based on the wins of the racecar. The more you won the more money you got, it was that simple.



You didnt have to imply or suggest that the parts lasted all year, most of us know when you are dealing with high hp , things break.



And that was what ticked me off about the original post by adam, not that i cared who who sponsors who.



Those that are sponsored can afford to make mistakes as they dont have to pay , those of us that have to pay have to choose wisely .





One last thing,



Brian Roth,



I would appreciate it very much if you dont use my name implying that i helped develop the torque loc and the autoloc.



That is not true, i had nothing to do with those products.



The balance of your little story's untruths i dont care about as they serve no technical meritt.
 
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Bill,



No problem with having sponsors as long as it is disclosed when someone has a very strong opinion about a particular product.



This allows us to be more informed when it comes to decision making. I personally have not used your product because I have a manual, but from what I have read and talked to people who have used your products, they have been very happy with the level of quality and service. Also, I do enjoy reading your informative posts.



I wouldn't worry about what people say too much since there are just too many folks on this board who know the truth and will chime in when someone tells a lie.



Disclaimer: not associated with DTT



Charles
 
Ding

Here we go for round #3:eek: :rolleyes: :eek:



Glenn



Hey Bill if you looking for somebody to give free stuff to in exchange for PR, I'm in;) :p Oh wait, people PAY for your stuff and do the PR for free, damn, my bad. :D :D
 
Thank you, Bob, John, and Doctor.



I've learned from the strip that you don't smart mouth a man running 4. 40's when you're stuck in the four sixties.



BTW, I want the very LAST torque converter I ever buy to use a NEW fluid that is as thin as Dexron in it's static state but solidifies at a variable and controllable rate when exposed to magnetism, electrical current, or even laser light. It would be 100% efficient with no lockup clutches. Oh, and while I'm at it, I want it bolted in front of a CVT transmission rated @750Hp. & 1400Lbs. of torque. :eek:



Until then, I'd gladly settle for a conventional converter equipped with variable pitch stator fins controlled by the PCM. (If only everyone were as easy to please as me. ) ;)
 
After all the Flaming, I went with BD...

and no, I am not sponsored, have no real interest in racing (just playing around) and did not get BD's stuff at a discount.



I am currently trying out the newest TC and VB from BD. I am still testing/driving so I won't post likes/dislikes yet.



The reason I went with BD is because I have seen some trucks around the track that have Bill K's setup and they seem a bit rough. I don't know, didn't get the chance to drive one. I am attempting to improve the reliability of my trans WITHOUT changing all shift points, etc.



As far as BD service and support, ABSOLUTELY STELLAR up to this point. Steve T. at BD has even called me to see how things are progressing. When I took shipment of the TC and VB, the TC was damaged/dented from the factory. BD got on the ball and had one shipped from Canada to L. A. the next day. EXCELLENT. I also had a VB issue with 2nd gear. Steve also sent the needed spring right away. I can call and these people (including B. Roth) will take a moment to talk.



BD has been in business for awhile, and there products look well thought out, and implemented well. No, they may not have the 'Perfect' mouse trap, but the way I see it, NO-ONE does yet!



I just HAD to try BD's stuff. At this point, seems to work well, and I have had NO problems with this corporation. They have been a pleasure to deal with and have definitely gone the extra mile so far. I have nothing but praise for BD so far.



And no, this is not a slam fest on Bill K's stuff, I just didn't choose his product for various reasons. (But you never know, and I NEVER say NEVER!) :D :D :D
 
Hey EagleEye, keep us informed. With the spot light on you, you are sure to get some VERY good service because BD knows that if they don’t treat you right they are going to get torn apart on this site! Good luck. It is good to hear something positive about BD. We shall see if they play their cards right. Hey Brian, if you can build a tc that is better than Bill’s and give his level of service, my hat is off to you. This is no easy task though. Bill has VERY good service, and cares about his customers. I don’t think that a big company has the resources and time to do this; it’s not as profitable in the short run. Good luck, you’re going to need it.
 
Since truth seems to be what dragged me into this hole deal(I'll mispell it just to make a point that there is not point if you take it to context). Here we go for round three and probably my final round for bill.



1st, as for truth about your products and such, how does Nowels lockup clutch work? Is that what he asked for?

Second exactly how long did it take for Nowel to get his VB that he asked for, and at that how did his vavle body work that YOU installed, up to his likings? You know its funny because I was acctually a mediator between you guys keeping your relationship going well. I guess that counted alot when I only said your stuff was not PERFECT?

OK, how many trannies did BPINE do? How many had no poblems? How many ended up just dealing with what they had after numerous tries to fix or aleaviate the problem?

How many trannies has Chris sutton had to rebuild? We got ours at the same time AND I make more power than he does.

Is my brothers transmission ever going to be right? Yes when I recieve the VB from BD.

Its to bad our relationship had to come to this Bill, I used to consider us friends. I won't stand friends bashing me, ever.

Now this will probably never end bill, I hope your happy about starting this one.

One thing is for sure about this transmission stuff. Options only make the leaders want to get better.

I think I will never use or recomend DTT stuff again now bill wich may not matter to you now, but its money and not a little money you will never see and you will know it.
 
A ******* contest on a transmission thread?!

I'm shocked! LOL! For the the new guys, let me just say, don't sweat the tone of this thread they always turn into this ;)

Sorry it sounds like a couple of guys who were buds ain't no more. All I can say is, lighten up guys. The vast majority of us aren't heavy horsepower racers, we just want a transmission that will work pulling our trailers with our comparably insignificant mods that won't blow apart on us. We all like to read about the big horsepower guys but sometimes it does get to be a bit much, I'm quite comfortable with the size of my penis, thank you :p I have the DTT stuff and I really like it, enough said. If you are a big horsepower guy you will tear up anyone's transmission, Bill said that the first time I met him. I don't know of too many people who have had problems with Bills stuff in day to day use except for not being prepared for the firmer shifts etc. . Maybe BD's new stuff is great, hope it is but I think the folks who suffered through the earlier stages probably won't go back for another taste. If we all liked to be part of the development stage, we would all be driving duramaxes :p

Just wanted to throw in my two cents worth, since from the number of posts on this thead it looks like everyone else on the site has :p



Dan
 
You know, it takes manufacturers, who have large engineering teams, test facilities, and years of data years to get a transmission or other part to production.



BD and DTT got new products to market, re-engineering what was out there in months. No large staff, just people who have reasonable familiarity with the trannies and some clue as to what's failing.



In fact, the whole aftermarket has done this. By the time they get a reasonably bug-free transmission setup for 275 HP, everyone's found 350 HP and things aren't so good again. Sometimes the unexpected has happened, and we get to see stuff that worked well in testing be unreliable or even catastrophic in the field.



And that goes for everything in aftermarket performance.



So what's a person to do? Go with the one who seems to have a good handle on the technical stuff, and runs his business in all aspects that shows respect for people at large. It isn't about being the cheapest or having the most perfect technology, or even having a warranty on paper that knocks your socks off.



It's more about how you view others and yourself, and you believe your future will be made. It's about trying to determine if the business management do their best to be square with you, or if you're just dollars on their bottom line only.



To put it bluntly, if you're going to try to do what the manufacturer refused to do, you're going to incur some risk. Risk costs money in the long run, no if's, and's, or but's.

And, there's no way on earth you're going to buy something that's "new" and not find at least some percentage of them give trouble. If you aren't fine with that, then don't do it.



Nobody, and I'm sure nobody, that advertises on TDR will stay busy for very long if they consistently do bad, or produce bad stuff. The market is too small, the repeat business too long apart... they have to live by reputation. And they all know it. Despite any vendor having had trouble with some particular item, none of them knowingly or consistently make bad things. Some may be really good, some just so-so, but all will be struggling to keep pace with the rapid changes going on.
 
Adam,



I really think that your missing the point here. My father has always been very up front with people that the lock-up clutch shouldn't be used with that kind of power. Not that it won't take it for a SHORT period of time. Most people are interested in the long haul. About pushing your power in his face who cares we have several high hp trucks, some even higher than you. We don't brag about it because it's not the majority of our customers. Let's be serious with that much power anybody can break anything.



About your friendship, I also think that this is too bad because this didn't need to happen. He never cared that you were sponsored by BD only that you kept it honest, and about him starting this how do you figure? He just pointed out that you weren't being truthful. What's up with this comment "I hope your happy about starting this one. " Grow up.
 
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well answer my questions with out lieing?

and as far as someone having more hp who? we will see how much I'm making on the 15'th.

your father attacked me,period, like he does anyone that doesn't post only good things about him. That is not warrented on this or any site. You guys scare away more useful information by alot of people by being so harsh. That is It, you started it.

Now answer my questions mr honesty!
 
Jsmith, are you still out there?



If you are, I would read and review all these posts carfully.



Do you have the answer to your question yet?



Out of 2924 views and 54 posts, so far one person is happy with there BD trans. This does not include the owners of BD.



As far as my6eatsv8s is concerned you would have take into concideration his relationship with BD as well as his application.



Maybe you should try searching some different forums.



I started searching the web back in march of this year, when my trans started to fail. I found the information I needed and made a choice based on what I found, It cost alot of money and I had to drive 8 hrs. to get it. But I am happy with what I got and would do it agian.



Good luck,



Jason



Ps: I drove right passed BD to get to DTT and did not even know it. LOL I also never seen a ad for DTT till I was in Bill's shop. The only ad I seen was happy customers on this site!
 
Hey Adam, my dad can beat up your dad!! :D OK this has been enough. I think that everyone has made everyone else mad. :( :( No good. Bill has always made good stuff. BD has not always made good stuff. Now lets try to let history be just that. Bill on one nice guy, but he will not tolerate dishonesty and neither will I. Now can't we all just get along?;)





Jsmith- I think that you should get the BD trans so you can be the guinea pig for this. Who knows? Maybe BD has made a better trans and tc than Bill. Based on the available info I would say that the odds aren’t favoring BD. If you go for BD and it turns out well I say you hit Vegas. You may be on a roll!

:D :D :D ;)
 
Uhhh guys,,,, I don't wanna sound like a doofus here but... .

I joined this site for the opportunity to meet people with common interests, to learn, and hopefully to strike up some new friendships. Now I know how quickly things like money, temper, pride, and opinion can screw things up. Been there done that, and occasionally still do.

BUT !!!



MY6' I don't know about you, nor you Bill, but when I meet my maker I hope that I can count on at least two hands, my true friends. Friends= someone you can trust with your life, your wife and your money!

Now getting all 3 is damn tuff, in fact 1 outta 3 is doing pretty good I think. My point is that you must have seen some merrit in call each other 'friends' at the outset. Don't let one of those other factors get in the way of adding a FRIEND to that already short list. If this sounds kinda lame so be it, but I've had some life experiences that have taught me some real serious lessons, and one is that friends are genuinely priceless. :)

Personally, I've had good experiences with both Bill's work and BD's product.

Ok, were's the ladder so I can get off this soap box... ..... ;) ;)



Bush'
 
Originally posted by JBoesl

Jsmith, are you still out there?



If you are, I would read and review all these posts carfully.



Do you have the answer to your question yet?



Out of 2924 views and 54 posts, so far one person is happy with there BD trans. This does not include the owners of BD.



As far as my6eatsv8s is concerned you would have take into concideration his relationship with BD as well as his application.



Maybe you should try searching some different forums.



I started searching the web back in march of this year, when my trans started to fail. I found the information I needed and made a choice based on what I found, It cost alot of money and I had to drive 8 hrs. to get it. But I am happy with what I got and would do it agian.



Good luck,



Jason



Ps: I drove right passed BD to get to DTT and did not even know it. LOL I also never seen a ad for DTT till I was in Bill's shop. The only ad I seen was happy customers on this site!



Let me point something that's so obvious I'm stunned that none of you are mentioning it. BD sells a LOT of stuff. They sell a LOT of transmissions, a LOT of torque converters, a LOT of valve bodies. Bill at DTT sells a LOT of stuff. We don't hear from those people, do we? Who we hear from are those who are, for whatever reason, motivated to sit down at the keyboard and pound out their thoughts. That's only a handful.



Frankly, what's going on here, is people are using what I call "small stuff" to try to prove the big point. They are attempting to wag the dog, here. Bill responds to someone else's characterization of someone else's product... as if bragging on one discredits the other. Someone else claims that warranty from someone sucks... And someone else says that the other has perfect warranty, which is responded to with some other almost irrelevant, but heavily weighted response.



Then Business Owner A tries to make himself look better, and Business Owner B or someone who feels compelled to defend him escalates the diatribe... YET, little of real consequence is being said. Instead, one side is trying to prove the other wrong, or themselves right, when in reality, the truth is so lost we could not find it if we searched an eternity.



Let me diverge slightly... Truck Owner A makes 360 HP at the rear wheels, and has managed to burn up 3 converters. Is it REALLY the fault of Vendor B? Or is it that the means of making the transmission deal with 2-3 times it's rated horsepower just isn't foolproof?



If Owner X has 600 HP and he can break a transmission... It's meaningless. Really, it is. All it means is that the inventiveness of the transmission builder hasn't caught up with the inventiveness of the horsepower creator.



And going back... As I said just a few posts back... Nobody who gets discussed here DARES to toss out junk. Nobody really dares to weasel on deserved warranty claims, either. But how do you warranty something like this? Not a single vendor has control over your engine. Nor how you drive. They don't even have control over a lot of the parts installed in your transmission. Just SOME of them. How do they know that the converter you fried the clutch in wasn't because you ACTUALLY had 415 HP, when you claim you hav e 295. When there are so many variables they don't have control over that warranty becomes subjective - if what happens to you is indicative of something outside of their control, why SHOULD they fork over money to get you going?



But then maybe you really have 240 HP and you think you have 330. And your converter burns up. And everything else is as it should be... How are they to know? And if it hasn't happened to a whole lot of people, do they go with their best knowledge, or do they just fork over? I know from experience that doing warranty on one costs you the profits from VERY many that did not need it. I've seen a single warranty where I used to work cost an entire month's profits. That's a whale of a long time to work for nothing. Even more a good motivation to make you question if you should REALLY be paying it.



I really think this thread should end. I think next time it gets out of hand we should probably just delete it. It isn't serving to bring truth to the table. It doesn't even APPROACH being helpful to the member needing something to base good judgement upon in deciding where to spend his hard-earned money. For those of you who let this subject provoke you to post inciteful words, shame on you. Act with some dignity and decorum. Show some sound judgement and careful thought. The readers deserve it, and it would credit your reputation as well.



Sheesh...
 
I'm not an educated man, I only graduated high school, but I have learned one important lesson in life. It is not how a man spells his words, but how he stands behind them. Adam has always been supportive of my endeavors for increased horsepower and the last thing that I would believe is that he meant to misrepresent himself to this forum. If I desired proper grammar to prevent"wasting my precious time" reading mispelled words and improper grammar, then I would peruse one of Dicken's literary masterpieces. Unfortunately, Dodge Cummins diesels did not exist during Dicken's period (something even Miss Cleo couldn't have predicted!). In short, if I want to know something about diesels, I consult Adam. If it is grammar, I'll pick up one of Dick's "short reads". I'm not ashamed to say that I dictated this to my better half who corrects the spelling and grammar as it hits the screen (she's the overeducated one with the doctorate). God forbid she breaks down on the road though. Fortunately, she can spell "HELP" and I hope that the individual who stops will be graced with the same level of mechanical skills as Adam has demonstrated to this forum.

Adam, just wanted to personally thank you for your support of my quest for less smoke and more power (if there is such a thing... oh, I think Joe D. just proved that. I hope he can spell. ). Later. Oh, I'm sorry. Is that proper grammar? I meant sincerely, Mr. DBR
 
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