Bad, Bad, Bad, News

[JHardwick]

Come on, do you really think the only thing not stock on the truck was the air filter??

My response was based on the original post which said the air filter was the only mod. If thats the case the warranty should be upheld.



If a box was added or wastegate tampered with, then sorry about his luck.



Your asking us to guess on what mods may or may not be present here.



Your not wrong, but seemingly off an a tangent based on the original content of the thread.

 

[Schicken bone]

i just read 15 posts and seems to me that everyone has a different opion. only the person that made the original post knows the TRUTH! i have long since voided my warrenty. but some mods only effect certain things and each person must make there on decission. i personally think that i bought a 40k plus truck and if does not work then cummins or dc should make it work.

 

[bepatte]

Are you serious about the $15,000 for a replacement engine?

 

[zues]

That is what the tech said it will cost. The tech is still trying to get the truck covered under warranty not sure how he is going to do it but lets hope so.

 

[bepatte]

Damn, I think I'll wait A LONG while before I consider any warranty voiding upgrades.

 

[TCDiesel]

Ok, you have one hole that"s bad what do the other five look like,excessive heat ,dirt,contamination,Defective valve,Etc,O WAIT K&N filter thats the cause,These DC tech Absolutely do no investagations ,and why NOT,because they don"t get pay for,only to fix it,The law is clear on this YOU have to prove what cause it before you can deny the warranty coverage. Just the appearance is not enough to deny warranty coverage. and at times you have no allternative but arbitration.

 

[tschwab]

First of all, I agree with Y-Not about the lawyers and frivolus lawsuits. I also agree that if you modify any part of these high-tech motors, you then become your own warranty station as we know from being TDR members. This is preached in just about every issue and repeated many times on these boards.



My '98 was modified, but I knew that from mod #1, I became my own warranty station. These new 600's are so high-tech with very little room for ANY mod's which will affect the many different computers/electrons etc, that run these motors, I definetly would not do anything to put the warranty in jeopardy.



I thought I might add an aFe intake or use an aftermarket fuel additive, (which Cummins DOES NOT recomend BTW)... ... NO WAY as this just gives DC a reason to deny coverage.



If you wanna play, you have got to be willing to pay.

 

[mattymac]

I would bet that it was the number 6 hole that went and the others probably got pretty warm but might not show damage. The back hole has a very restrictive intake manifold neck down along with it being the furthest away from fresh air and cold water from the radiator. You would think if the boost elbow was changed from any of the aftermarket boxes then the tech might have seen the worm drive hose clamp? That is if it was changed, but then agin if it was changed he should have seen lower EGT's from higher boost #'s?

 

[mattymac]

I would bet that it was the number 6 hole that went and the others probably got pretty warm but might not show damage. The back hole has a very restrictive intake manifold neck down along with it being the furthest away from fresh air and cold water from the radiator. You would think if the boost elbow was changed from any of the aftermarket boxes then the tech might have seen the worm drive hose clamp? That is if it was changed, but then agin if it was changed he should have seen lower EGT's from higher boost #'s?

Oops, What was I thinking I forgot it was a 600.



Unless he had a TST then he should be in good with the W/G elbow thing.

 

[DGFoster]

All I know is my buddy has the exact same truck as me,both 2004 305/555 engines,trucks were built in the same month if that matters. But I got an EZ and with it on his truck the hottest he has seen is 1350EGT,with the same box on my truck it shoots right up to 1400+,we have the same gauges and drilled pre turbo in as close to the same spot as we could get,so either something is different with our engines or something.

this is with the EZ on level 4,and stock mine runs 400 degrees more than his on the same stretch of road.

We switched the gauges mine went in his and his in mine,same exact gauge Westach from Genos and go the same exact temps,so I know the gauges are not different.

So I dont even run the EZ on my truck,no mods. .



someone explain this to me?

 

[DPKetchum]

A NUMBER of failures reported due to a BAD INJECTOR and blowing/burning pistons and valve. Hope they not MISSING something and blaming the failure eleswhere. Some of these BROKE motors have been as low as 400 miles!

 

[ChrisKringle]

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer! Build a better engine #!@$! We got D-Max's runnin' 12. 22's ... . and better. http://www.atsdiesel.com/Video/Muncie04/Tomac_Drag_12.22_A1_20040608_1.MOV

http://www.atsdiesel.com/Video/Muncie04/Clint_Drag_12.86_A1_20040608_1.MOV

My next truck is a Chevy for sure. Allison 5-speed transmission, aluminum driveshafts, captains seats, onstar, satellite radio, true four door, driver adjustment memory, way better ride, bowtie, better fuel economy, lighter, v-8 sounds better, one pin (not bolt) to change the headlamp, injectors accessable outside the valve covers, interior climate control in degrees farenheit rather than just guessing and changing all the time. Not to mention the cat-eyes. Stock fender flares ... , you tell me. Who has the better product. Oo.

 

[DPKetchum]

NOT CHEVY thats for sure. Besides the D/maxes are UGLY! (and a V8 diesel to boot!)As I stated many times before all the D/max and Ford owners every time I get near one they ALWAYS LOOK! My next tag will say I CAUGHT YOU LOOKING! I always wave and GRIN!

 

[GEM]

Hey there y-knot! I used to be a manly man but now I'm a yuppie wuss. I don't know if I'm offended or if I'm in agreement with you. But here's my reason for the post... ...

I read your list of accessories and I'm wondering what your impression of insurance will be if you total the truck or a thief needs it and your adjuster strokes you a check for average retail on a stock truck. It looks like you've put more than $5K into it. Check with your company and see if there is a way to declare true value (raise the rating symbol), pay a little more for rating comp. and collision, and have the words "plus accessories" printed on your policy. If they do it (?), keep a copy of the endorsement change. When they ask "why all the performance items"... . towing in the mountains seems to be a reasonable answer.

 

[CJEliassen]

My truck is bone stock except for the K&N filter. Y-knot, why are you so arrogant to assume you know anything about the guy who owns this truck? You seem to be pretty sure he did something wrong. In the United States, a person is innocent until proven guilty. Why do you condemn someone you do not know?



With people like you who condemn someone at the drop of a hat, I am sure glad I can go find a lawyer to protect myself. You are not part of the answer, you are part of the problem.

 

[DPelletier]

... , you tell me. Who has the better product. Oo.

Dodge does.



I'll take my NV-5600 over an Allison, my steel driveshafts over alum ones, my solid axle over GM's independent, my firmer ride, better fuel economy, more torque and better sounding Cummins any day of the week!



Oh, and I don't like fender flairs and the new chevy looks like the sheetmetal was designed by a high school dropout on crack! And what's with the frame?!. What do you expect from the makers of the Avalanche and Aztec, I guess.



Cheers,

Dave

 

[Guest]

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer! Build a better engine #!@$! We got D-Max's runnin' 12. 22's ... . and better. http://www.atsdiesel.com/Video/Muncie04/Tomac_Drag_12.22_A1_20040608_1.MOV

http://www.atsdiesel.com/Video/Muncie04/Clint_Drag_12.86_A1_20040608_1.MOV

My next truck is a Chevy for sure. Allison 5-speed transmission, aluminum driveshafts, captains seats, onstar, satellite radio, true four door, driver adjustment memory, way better ride, bowtie, better fuel economy, lighter, v-8 sounds better, one pin (not bolt) to change the headlamp, injectors accessable outside the valve covers, interior climate control in degrees farenheit rather than just guessing and changing all the time. Not to mention the cat-eyes. Stock fender flares ... , you tell me. Who has the better product. Oo.

Your an idiot. GM has some cool gadgets, but the Duramax is made by Isuzu, The Cummins would drive the Duramax to the end and drop it off there. Look at the sled pulls... Who kills everything?? CUMMINS, the fastest diesel drag trucks are always CUMMINS, I gaurantee there isnt a D-Max that is getting as good of mileage as mine... Seems like you are more interested in eye candy interior crap than the stuff that matters.

 

[mattymac]

My next truck is a Chevy for sure. Allison 5-speed transmission, aluminum driveshafts, captains seats, onstar, satellite radio, true four door, driver adjustment memory, way better ride, bowtie, better fuel economy, lighter, v-8 sounds better, one pin (not bolt) to change the headlamp, injectors accessable outside the valve covers, interior climate control in degrees farenheit rather than just guessing and changing all the time. Not to mention the cat-eyes. Stock fender flares ... , you tell me. Who has the better product. Oo.

Allison= piece of overrated crap with more failures in the big three

Aluminum driveshafts= Why would you want aluminum over steel? way weaker.

Driver adjustment memory=Ooohh big deal, Mine hasnt moved since day one, The memory in my Dodge works pretty good, It hast forgot where it should be.

Way better ride= My gradmas Caddie has a way better ride as well, but it should its a car. Is that what you want a sissy car ride? Ill take my truck, Thanks.

Better fuel Eco. = Ill take that bet anyday. LB7vs 305 ho. LLY vs 600.

V8 sounds better=If you keep tellin yourself this. Ill take my 6 anyday.

Headlamp change easy= youll need this on your bowtie because everyone ive seen has a blown headlamp goin down the road. Why cant they make a light bulb that works?

Injectors outside Valve cover= Only the LLY and thats totally because with all the blown injectors they have had youll need this just like the headlamp pin.

AC controls= Mine work fine I guess that you just have to be smarter than the controls?

Cat eyes= they are ugly! Most will agree.

Fender flares= Are you saying that a truck with the lowest ground clearance is going to go off road and get dirty so youll need fender flares? All those do is get in the way when you have to change all the tierods youll break on the front end.



You tell me, who builds a better truck?

 

[y-knot]

GEM,

I have had my truck since October 14,1996 when it was delivered to me. Some 5-6 months went by before I started modifying the engine, and making mods to the truck itself. I excepted the fact that I would be my own warranty station from the first mod, which was a new plate. I have continued to modify my truck over the years and have been very lucky to have not had any engine or truck troubles, at least none that were warranty issues. I wish I would have only spent $5,000. 00 on this truck, fact is I have spent over $41,000. 00 since I first bought this truck for $38,000. 00 in 1996. It adds up, new trany 4500, re-paint 5000, EGR brakes 1500,Suspension 3000+, radio 2000+,Bumpers 2000, Hog exhaust 700,putco bars 900, 2 winches 1350 the list goes on and on. Yes I know if the truck gets stolen or totaled in an accident I am out, but that is just the way it goes. If anyone is involved in any such event, they always loose so it is nothing new, As soon as you drive your new truck off the lot if deprecates 15%.

My post was not meant to offend you or anyone else, just to wake up some who do not think about the repercussions of modifying their trucks. And to let others know it is not OK to lye about their modifications. Dodge and Cummins build some fine trucks together, and it is only normal to have a few problems along the way. This new 600 engine is much more sophisticated then any of it's predecessors, and it will require some tweaking to get it right. It is also "smarter" then any other engine, and has the means to record certain events which will allow Dodge and Cummins to know it you have added certain items or have tampered with it's settings. I don't think alot of folks on this site understand that and it's repercussions. What it means is, with this new technology they are relying more and more on electronics to operate and run these new engines, they are more susceptible to damage from aftermarket programs (boxes). For more power, you have to add more fuel, that is just the way diesels work. In order to meet federal guidelines on soot and hydrocarbons, these new engines are walking a very fine line as it is with their lean burn technology. Any change in this fueling curve is not only recordable, but may unbalance this fine line between just enough heat and too much heat in the combustion chamber. The fact is Cummins would not be selling these new 600 engines like they are, if it wasn't for there new federal mandates. At the same time, Ford would not have sold their new 6. 0L if it was not for the same federal mandates. The engine makers are caught between supplying engines and supplying engines that meet the federal requirements, this push toward new technologies does not come without a few problems. Everyone knows what Ford went through, that has been well documented. Well now it is Cummins turn to manage this new technology in mass from and deal with any problems associated with the change. It will only get worse as we near the 2007 dead line, does this mean know one should buy any of the new diesels, NO. It just means you should consider all the possibilities before you add anything to your new truck that may affect the warranty. I think most will go right on, having little or no problems with their new trucks, but their will be a few unfortunate ones that develop problems and need to have their trucks serviced by the dealer, just be prepared if you changed anything.

 

[Buffalo]

ChrisKringle. I have 2 friends that each have Chevy Duramax/Allison trucks (LB7 & LLY). I have an '03 Dodge. The LB7 has a Duramaximizer and Duramaximizer Tech 4, and a K&N air system. His truck runs great! Fast and gets great mileage (24 mpg. , in the mountains is not unusual. ) The truck is very comfortable and QUIET, which, is what both guys really appreciate. Both guys are very happy with the performance of the Allison although, the '03 (LB7) is on it's second trans. The Duramaximizer Tech 4 seems to provide too much power for the Allison. The truck seems to run very well with just the Duramaximizer. Seems like all 3 major manufacturers have similar trans. problems once you start bombing. My one friend said that ground clearance was a little too low but, only on very rough trails. But, his truck is very comfortable on highways and dirt roads. The '04 (LLY) truck seems to have some of the same issues that our "04. 5 trucks have, such as higher temps. and suffering fuel mileage, in comparison to earlier models. There's a price to pay meeting tighter emmissions standards. The LLY, still, seems to get a little bit better mileage than my '03 H. O. 6-sp. The crew-cab issue, for some, is probably valid. I have the Quad Cab and have not had a problem. No one has complained about lack of room or uncomfortable rear seats. And I ask! I want to know. Regarding the V-8 sound, that is strictly a matter of opinion. My buddies, both, hate the sound of their diesels. Too noisy! The LB7 guy calls his truck "clickity-clack". Now, I love the sound of the Cummins. In fact, I'm disapointed in the quiet sound of my '03. Much prefer the sound of my old '91. Put a 24" Magnaflow muffler on my '03 to give it more "personality" but, it made it sound more like a sports car than a diesel. My buddies, I'm sure, think I'm nuts. Quiet engines are a big issue , to them. But, I'm the kind of guy that drives around with the radio off, instead, listening to the exhaust note and turbo sound. The bottom line, to me, is the Duramax/Allison combo turned out to be much better than I thought it would, compared to GM,s previous efforts. I still wouldn't trade my Dodge/Cummins for anything else on the market. I really like Cummin's history of industrial strength and quality. I truely enjoy my trucks and love driving them. Joe. Sorry this is so long winded. Must have too much time on my hands.